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https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2025/msg00079.html
Minutes
Present: Eyal, John, Heiko
Comments: Jan, wodsfort, Rafael, Stuart, Telesto
Tickets/Topics
* EDITING: Navigator -- displaying page number at heading titles
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166048
+ use case not common; knowing the exact page number for some
chapter is pointless (Jan, Heiko)
+ able to construct some use cases (Eyal)
+ current tooltip lacks on the _number of pages_ which could
also solve this request by showing "p. 3" or "pp. 2-4" (Eyal)
+ annotation with the heading as suggested is interesting by it's
own and could be done optionally (Eyal)
+ absolutely disagree, my veto against this idea (Heiko)
+ good idea (wodsfort)
=> comment
* Presentation/template shows placeholder text in creator's (?)
locale rather than in the UI locale
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168080
+ provide an option to remove / not store language related
attributes in the document/template (Heiko)
+ issue is rather to not localize the placeholder text ie.
"Click to add text" in the Hungarian form (Eyal)
+ not an issue with normal slides but master slides are localized
=> bug
* Autofilter buttons should look like (native) UI buttons
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163017
+ probably not as native control but agree with better design (Rafael)
+ lower hanging fruits first but proper solution needed; first
issue with icons or semi-widgets would be missing a11y-support (Eyal)
+ arrow fill color is different depending on hidden items (Heiko)
+ scaling of icons might become an issue (Eyal)
+ drawing horizontal lines could be more appealing too (Heiko)
=> try
* Vertical tabs: inconsistent look. Label next to icon; label below icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168203
+ intentionally done by design => NAB (Stuart)
+ struggle to imagine how the alternative looks (wodsfort)
+ some people might want only stacked icon/label design even on cost
of scrolling; dynamic switching could be an option (Eyal)
+ at the moment it is not possible to dynamically switch depending
on the number of tabs, for example (Heiko)
+ KISS! (wouldn't mind scrolling personally) (John)
+ invest in never scrolling (bug 165989) (Eyal)
+ agree with (more) flexibility for users (Eyal)
+ strongly disagree with the proposal (Heiko)
=> comment
* The order of tabs (whats on top, what is at the bottom) in the
vertical tab in the image dialog is bit strange
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168059
+ some tabs are used on different dialogs, and sorting should
be decided individually
+ perhaps sort alphabetically (Telesto)
+ besides all other contradictions it depends on l10n (John)
+ sorting could be done like this (Jan)
- Position, Rotation, Crop are about the outer dimensions of the object.
- Borders, Area and Transparency concern the area in the object.
- Hyperlink and Macros are about interactions.
- Wrap is about its interactions with text.
- Options seems to be metadata and a bit of a "misc" place
+ "General" (as some summary ) should come first for styles dialogs;
start then with specific content (image related) and continue with more
generic items (font, alignment) (Heiko)
+ very difficult to define a general rule, needs to be done per dialog
+ surprising less number of bike-shedding issues has been opened (Eyal)
+ "Options" for the image dialog is about a11y, ie. alt-text (Heiko)
=> build more consensus ion BZ first