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https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2025/msg00096.html
Minutes
Present: Sahil, Eyal, Heiko
Comments: Regina, Samuel
Tickets/Topics
* Make the new Macro Manager dialog non-experimental and enable it
by default
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168623
+ remaining issues probably not fixed (Samuel)
+ dependent to bug 120658, which is not yet resolved (Eyal)
+ some concerns (in bug 120658) (Regina)
+ no harm to make it non-experimental (Sahil)
+ do not make it the default as long features are missing (Heiko)
=> go for it
* Sort dialog Options tab contents is confusing
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168687
+ many issues packed in one ticket; agree with questionable
labels (Telesto)
+ "Natural Sort" has been redesigned lately
+ "Include formats" could be "Preserve Formatting" (Sahil)
+ "preserving" - users will always want to "preserve" rather than
"disrupt" or "mess up"; each user would think the behavior they
want is the "preserving"; need to better express the two legitimate
interests (Eyal)
+ Preserve is the opposite of Include (Heiko)
+ "Copy results" are clear to me, at least with the tooltips (Heiko)
+ "[ ] Place sort results at:" (Eyal)
+ "[ ] Destination range/cells:" (Sahil)
+ Boundary rows/columns require to read the documentation (and
might be not working as expected) (Heiko)
=> further bike-shedding on BZ
* Make Notebookbar Paragraph Style preview iconviews larger, and perform
dynamic preview of document
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168657
+ PS are structural attributes and should not be picked by their
visuals; IOW heading 1 is used for a certain part of text
ergo: drop this whole control in favor of the dropdown (Heiko)
+ true but users expect it as known from MSO (Eyal)
+ to get more space we may drop the unformatted style names (Eyal)
+ MSO adjusts the number of items depending on available size, up to a
dropdown for very small windows, and expands the content to a resizable
icon view - we should do the same (Eyal)
+ for now it sounds reasonable to expand the UI element to the
available space (Eyal, Heiko)
=> do it
* Replace trichotomic language config with list of proofing languages
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168624
+ Char dialog bug 104318
+ mockup on the ticket (Heiko)
+ it essentially removes the trichometry and all options are available
for everyone
+ the mockup assumes the trichotomy is gone, rather than actually removing
it - it's useful to discuss it as an option for a post-trichotomy
LibreOffice, but not for current-state LibreOffice (Eyal)
+ While LibreOffice has the meaningful options of enabling/disabling RTL-CTL
and CJK support, this choice is critical to users and we should not
entertain the possibility of (effectively) hiding it (Eyal)
+ The two options control aspects of the UI at the character, paragraph and
page level, particularly in the style/formatting dialogs, and also the
visibility/usability of the direction toolbar buttons (Eyal)
+ The options will also likely control even more changes to the UI when
the support for "Start" and "End" alignments is introduced: With RTL-CTL
support unchecked, we don't need to tell the user about the distinction
between "align left" and "align start" - but with the option checked,
we need to alter the UI somewhat to express that (Eyal)
+ mockups are meant to foster the development, to support thinking about
far-fetched goal, identify bottlenecks in the workflow, etc. - all for the
average user; usability comes before coding not when everything is done as
interface set on top of some perfect code (Heiko)
+ Agreed, apologies for focusing only on the applicability of the mockup
_right now_, am willing to discuss it in the context of a
"post-trichotomy" future where my points of opposition would
not hold (Eyal)
=> comment