Design/Meetings/2014-12-17

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2014-12-17-tt4133362.html

Minutes
Dec 20, 2014; 1:35pm Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-12-17


 * Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy Steve, Stuart
 * Completed Action Items:

+ Jay: Create a blog post to collect templates that we could pre-install. [ collected the categories, wrote up 2 paragraph for initial announcement, awaiting feedback now ] + Thursday - feedback + send to the marketing ML       + Monday / Tuesday - go live with the announcement + please feel free to update (Jay) + pending on the Marketing now - too many announcements ATM + Jay: Ask what is the plan with the templates on the new Extensions site + Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons + Kendy: try to do a link to the Templates site for 4.4 - not too probable https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85420 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=108377 + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as     a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Made (all) the dialogs that contain edit boxes resizable (Kendy) + Context menu crop activates interactive crop rather than crop dialog (Joel) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86627 + Enable start from current slide and add its tango icons (Jay) + Swapping Yes/No order on Windows (Adolfo) + Icon / context menu entry for Format -> Image (Jay) + Reassigning F11 to full screen (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83467 + wanted to have this resolved - old report (Jay) + many people seem to be against that (Kendy) + let's not change it (Stuart) + it's a bit different to full-screen in Firefox anyway (Stuart) + consensus: close as WONTFIX
 * Pending Action Items:
 * UI changes integrated the last week:
 * Last week's discussions that need a resolution:

+ Start center not using last window size (Qubit) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75644 + would need to check the code (Kendy) + I recall there is some forcing of size (at least) but not 100% sure (Kendy) + the user expected that it would open according to the last edit of that document (Stuart) + unclear if the proposed change brings enough better usability (Kendy) + but definitely it's quite a lot of work (Kendy) + suggest to keep as it is (Kendy) + room for improvement (Stuart) + but would be invasive (Stuart) + cannot have the configuration in the file format (Stuart) + maybe only in the recent documents (Kendy) + conclusion: WONTFIX probably, patches to improve situation won't be rejected though :-)

+ INDEX function returns #VALUE error when optional arguments are omitted (Qubit) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71325 + Calc guys taking over - more a technical problem (Jay)

+ Instant tooltips in start center (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73327 + should be the system setting (Heiko) + there is a setting that also hides the tooltip (for          accessibility) (Stuart) + wow - a stupid option - should be system's setting (Heiko) + we should remove that, and use whatever is in the system (Heiko) + but the start center should be visually appealing (Steve) + actually it would be possible to shorten the paths in some clever way (Kendy) + evaluate if the documents have different names, etc. (Kendy) + not many places where you can get the entire URL (Stuart) + so it is useful to have the URL there (Stuart) + agreed (Jay) + conclusion: Let's keep it as it is, because: + not good to mess with the system settings / do something different than what are the system's settings + URL's are useful

+ Was the colored 'X' button in start center replaced with grayscale ones on purpose (Jay) In 4.4 and master, the start center 'X' button seems suitable for sifr + probably Adolfo changed that? (Stuart) + the red cross was there because I did not have a better icon :-) (Kendy)        + actually red means "danger! stop!" (Jay)             + ah right, Firefox uses red too (Kendy) AI       + conclusion: Sync with Adolfo if he's OK with using red (but the same style) (Jay)

+ Should addition of border around an image have padding or not (Jay, Joel) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360 + the problem with this setting is that it makes the _image_ smaller not that the border is _added_ to the (unscaled) image (Kendy) + consequently every time the border is > 0, then the image looks incorrect (Kendy) + conclusion: agree to change it to 0 as Jay suggests + because that way it does not distort the picture AI:         + create Easy Hack (Kendy)

+ New windows stay in background, don't get focus (Heiko) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75471 + sounds as a bug :-) (Kendy)        + if we get more duplicates, please MAB it    + Jay discussed with the QA guys now    + they will suggest some guidelines (Jay)        + basically will not touch anything ux-advise    + fine with that for bugs reported by users (Stuart)    + the question is what do _we_ do with all the ux-advise bugs? (Stuart)        + what's the best? - bugzilla is great for backup (Stuart)        + but for markups etc. it is not ideal (Stuart)    + filing bugs himself when he wants to work on that (Jay)    + some things are bugs without a question (Stuart)    + as ux-advise / design, we should take some ownership there (Stuart)        + concerned about overloading the Design team :-) (Kendy) + people can say anything - but question is if it is a good idea (Jay) + and the QA people don't know (Stuart) + QA should determine if it is a bug or a feature request (Stuart) + Cor + Stuart in both QA and Design actually (Stuart) + how many per week? (Kendy) + ~10 a week (Stuart) + that sounds bearable (Kendy) + not necessary to create a bug for every change (Kendy) + just go ahead & do that :-) (Kendy)       + and report about that here in the meeting - if controversial,          we can follow-up with the discussion
 * QA <-> Design communication in bugzilla

+ Bugzilla workflow proposal after the QA team meeting: 1) issues opened as an enhancement of UX or in UI/Design elements        should always be handled in Bugzilla UX-advise component.      2) opened as UNCONFIRMED by anyone, or directly NEW by Design/UX team participants (including any Devs and QA folks) 3) Design/UX team participants, or any QA review should go ahead        and adjust the component to UX-advise and NEW      4) Design/UX team should review proposal for completeness, ask OP         for needed details, and add to weekly agenda 5) while active, pending Design/UX consideration retain NEW, or        NEEDINFO      6) if/when "voted" down from UX or Design perspective, close as         WONTFIX 7) if/when approved--retain as NEW, but what then?

Q: should we retain issues in BZ UX-advise, or change BZ component to UI as now happens, or change to the affected LO component? Q: UI vs. specific component, any risk of losing track of        Design/UX recommendations? Q: should we track the BZ issues on the Wiki anyway? Q: for Devs seeking quidance, how to communicate design or UI        decisions? Q: any need to convey prioritization of ehancement or UI change, or impact on UX? + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87405 + minor, actually (Jay) + will have a look when fixing something in sidebars, but will not look specifically then (Kendy)
 * Impress/Draw share code problem with sidebar (Jay)