QA/Meetings/2013/July 26

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= Agenda + Minutes =

 Minutes:

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Start

 * Meeting started at: 13:06
 * Participants: Joel, Robinson, Florian R., Petr, Bjoern

Notes:

Opening Discussion

 * Do we need to shift times/ping people directly to encourage more people to join the meetings?
 * ACTION: Joel will start email thread about new time possibility and other options

PENDING ITEM: BugReport Page

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will contact locale(s), including PT-BR


 * Joel contacted PT-BR, had short email convo with their team - they are looking into it
 * ACTION: Joel will ping again in 1 month if he hasn't heard back from the locale(s) & see if other locales need to be contacted. Main priority though is PT-BR as they are likely to be the next BSA

PENDING ITEM: NEEDINFO Stagnant Bugs

 * [DONE] ACTION: 2 weeks from now Joel will provide a staff update; 4 weeks from now, will close the bugs as invalid

 UNCONFIRMED,      NEW,       ASSIGNED,       REOPENED
 * Already closed most as invalid
 * Couple of people asked "Why did you close my bug?" --> Joel referred them to the previous comment "We're going to close your bug..." :-)
 * About 1/4 of bug reports are being reopened
 * Joel: some people said that they did not know about NEEDINFO because the bugs did not appear in "My bugs"
 * Joel: it should show all bugs reported by the user
 * Petr: No need to show fixed bugs in "My bugs"
 * Joel: There is a need to show fixed bugs for e.g. verification
 * We'll mark this as DONE, but it'll still be an ongoing task for Joel (et al..)

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will talk to Bjoern about this problem


 * Ongoing issue
 * Joel hasn't seen many bug reports against extensions, so we can deal with these bugs as one-offs for the time being
 * Punt (FWIW currently only 70 open issues in fdo)
 * ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation

PENDING ITEM: QA Website

 * ACTION: Joren will create macOS-specific pages
 * ACTION: Joel will create Linux-specific pages


 * No progress yet -- Joel will poke Joren and try to get both of them to work on their Items

=== PENDING ITEM: Tollef and Bugzilla TODOs and planning ===
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to activate voting on FDO (merged item)
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail (merged item)
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to clarify 'version' label in Bugzilla (merged item)
 * ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates (re: Bold statement on FDO mail)
 * ACTION: Joel will email Tollef (re: Bold statement on FDO mail)
 * ACTION: Continue discussion (long-term) of move to Locally-hosted Bugzilla


 * Haven't heard from Tollef
 * ACTION: Joel will poke Cloph or Markus M. (moggi) to ask about the Bugzilla API (Robinson needs access to implement https://github.com/mozilla/mediawiki-bugzilla )

[Note: the following discussion took place at the end of the meeting]
 * Joel: As we move forward, we're demanding more and more of our bugtracker. We've started the dicussion with Tollef, but perhaps we need  to dedicate more resources on the project
 * We should think about ways to move forward (Give people more  administrator powers, ask for some funding from TDF for it, or ??)
 * What do we need to do next to start transition to new infrastructure?
 * Joel: We should continue to document reasons why we need/would benefit from our own bugtracker

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

 * ACTION: Joel will update the whiteboard/keywords page


 * Joel is still working on it

=== PENDING ITEM: Use an online collaborative editor for minutes so that they can be viewed as the call progresses ===
 * [DONE] ACTION: Robinson + Jonathan Aqualina will get install instructions for Etherpad to Floeff so that it can then be installed
 * July 10 - Instructions sent to Floeff; test server installed (and now available here)


 * Robinson: Floeff has now changed the TDF-hosted Etherpad over into production use
 * Joel: Thanks to Robinson, Jonathan, and Floeff for making this happen :-)

PENDING ITEM: What to do with releases after EOL

 * ACTION: Joel will create new version in FDO "inherited from OOo" for bugs that predate our fork


 * Joel: The intention would be to indicate which bugs predate the LibreOffice fork
 * Bjoern: Want to make sure that we accurately present how many bugs we inherited from OOo.
 * Bjoern: Might need some time to build and stabilize
 * Florian R.: Really like that idea. Sidenote: Versions are not really ordered...
 * Joel: So if the versions aren't ordered, then a new "Inherited from OOo" version will be at the bottom of the list (and not in chronological order)
 * ACTION: Joel will inform ESC during their next call

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

 * ACTION: Bjoern/Robinson will investigate the possibility of being able to update the bibisect repository via git


 * Joel: There was some discussion on the QA list
 * Bjoern: we only have 22 regressions from that time frame, but 2000 bugs (dating from then...)
 * Bjoern guessing: 1/3 from OOo, 1/3 from AOO, 1/3 from merging
 * Bjoern: Waiting on ...
 * Joel: Currently there are 36 bibisect requests https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=326075&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=bibisectrequest&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED

PENDING ITEM: Clarify Bibisect + Version #

 * ACTION: Joel will add a note to the Ideas wiki page that our goal is to eventually have everyone use the bibisect repository
 * ACTION: Joel will work with Terrence Enger to clean/update this page


 * Joel: Hasn't updated the wiki yet

PENDING ITEM: Bug Triage Contest

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will add Ken to the list of people joining the contest


 * Joel: Contest is done
 * Thanks to everyone for participating!
 * Looks like we have some more people participating in bug triage after the end of the contest.

PENDING ITEM: Collapse versions on BSA 6 months after last release

 * [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will add this to the ReleasePlan page
 * July 1 - Robinson updated the ReleasePlan page (and sub-pages)
 * July 10 - Robinson updated BSA code to display message + links to "Update LibreOffice" wiki page when EOL/unsupported version is selected


 * Robinson: Implemented on the BSA
 * Joel: No complaints :-)
 * Joel: He's starting to do the same thing on Bugzilla; all the way through 3.4, going to work on 3.5 today
 * Joel: 3.6 has reached EOL, so we'll collapse that in +6 months
 * [Side discussion about moving 3.6 MABs to 4.0; just started on the mailing list; let's discuss it there]

PENDING ITEM: UX-Advice should be lowercase ("ux-advice")

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will update the text in FDO
 * July 1 - Joel has updated the text
 * [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will update the BSA and the wiki
 * July 1 - Robinson updated the wiki pages


 * Updated everywhere
 * No complaints -- seems to be working properly

New Action Items
All items proposed between meetings go here

New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)
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NEW ITEM: Feedback pages (Robinson)

 * There was a flurry of activity, but the conversation has gone mostly quiet
 * ACTION: Robinson will go ahead with the Feedback page idea (and ping Rob)
 * We'll base it on Astron's mockup
 * Rob had some suggestions (including incorporating something into the BSA code directly?), Robinson will ping him

Announcements

 * ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... August 09th (Friday) at 13:00 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

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 * Joel: There was a typo for some locales and Heading Styles have become Title Styles so users using these styles in those locales will experience some problems -- just to let people know.
 * Should be fixed in 4.1.1 -- Fix committed


 * Re: Ubuntu PPAs
 * Test builds: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
 * Pre-releases: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases/+packages

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 * Meeting adjourned at: 14:19

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