QA/Meetings/2014/September 10

=Prep=

= Agenda + Minutes =

 Minutes:

Content from the meeting itself ("the minutes") will be displayed in blue boxes like this.

Before we Start
A few minutes before we officially start the call, we'll try to have a few people on hand to help assist newbies set up their teleconferencing gear, get things muted, and log on to all of our communication channels:
 * QA/IRC
 * Etherpad - QA Pad
 * Talkyoo or Google Hangout

Start
Put start time and attendees list in the table

IRC Minutes
NOTE: We're trying something a bit different today -- we're going to have a much shorter meeting (15-30 min). We may have the meeting in IRC, as that's more accessible for some.

We'll touch on a few metrics such as UNCONFIRMED bug count and regressions, and then we'll have each person in the meeting bring up whatever QA topics they'd like to address.

Some people like the current call time on Wednesdays, but if there's enough interest in change, we'll do it.

Stats:
 * UNCONFIRMED count
 * Regressions #'s
 * NeedAdvice #'s

Topics from last time:
 * - LibreOffice-BASIC normal/medium NEW the Speech Editor Siri of macOS 10.9.4 does not work with Libreoffice 4.3.0.3
 * Multimedia in macOS
 * LibreOffice Bern Conference?
 * LibreFest Bug-Triaging event in Seattle - Advertising!
 * Bugzilla migration
 * SI-GUI Rename?

 colonelqubit: So, anyone have preferences on staying in IRC or moving to Talkyoo? -- 01:34:29 PM

colonelqubit: QA Meeting -- we'll start in a couple of minutes

sophi: colonelqubit: I prefer IRC because I need to eat something :)

colonelqubit: fair enough

Liongold: sophi: http://vm-1.liongold.kd.io/silverstripe/SilverStripe-cms-v3.1.5/libreoffice-contributor-maps/?key=1460a060a12aa6aefef74a7204209eb81f3a6194&token=c1e2ac65709e8515f353e2024f2c3cad

Liongold: Ok, dinner time. Then I'll be silent so as to not interrupt the meeting

sophi: Liongold: I've changed my email address

colonelqubit: Liongold: no worries

colonelqubit: So first off, it's great that Liongold is working on the contributor map

colonelqubit: I think that's going to be very helpful for the QA Team and other teams to see where everyone is from

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: so?

Sweetshark: whops

colonelqubit: ?


 * Sweetshark was stuck a few days back in backlog.

colonelqubit: :-)


 * Sweetshark finally found the solution to timetravel. ;0

colonelqubit: So before I start rattling off some stats and numbers, let's take a look at who's here

Attending: colonelqubit: So we have me. Sweetshark is in some kind of time-travel conundrum. Sophie and Liongold are getting food

colonelqubit: who else is listening in?

mjayfrancis: *waves* - 1:40AM local, so my brain isn't working very well :)


 * sophi can fortunately type while eating ;)


 * colonelqubit hadns mjayfrancis a pillow and a cup of coffee

colonelqubit: (take your pick)

Stats colonelqubit: So let's look at some numbers. UNCONFIRMED bugs are up again to 904

sophi: colonelqubit: conference effect?

IZBot: News from fdonew: [Bug 83726] Applying Styles Does Not Consistently Set Character Properties  || [Bug 83725] Font-Size changes ignored for special formatted text field 

jmadero: FIX MY BUG! BLOCKER, NIGHTMARE ^^

jmadero: ;)

colonelqubit: yes, I think that everyone being away was definitely a drain on our resources

jmadero: oh perfect timing, that was NOT planned

jmadero: ;)

colonelqubit: aha! a wild joel appears

jmadero: nope, in copyright, not here

sophi: even growing the unconfirmed bugs ;)

colonelqubit: just an echo

colonelqubit: As we're all getting increasingly busy, recruitment is going to be a big deal

colonelqubit: I've got some future events lined up, but in the meantime I think we should continue to draw from the users list and other sources

colonelqubit: Perhaps jmadero can give us some tips on the best way to bring in new contributors

jmadero: pinging good bug reporters directly (email them a nice message) or go to the user list with a specific question (as I just did about my bug)

jmadero: personal touch is always better

jmadero: and perhaps time to plan another bug squashing event

sophi: jmadero: one is planed for October

jmadero: perfect

jmadero: probably start advertising it aggressively in a week or two

jmadero: sophi: is that a bug hunting or bug finding session?

jmadero: I mean bug hunting or bug squashing

colonelqubit: jmadero: so just a direct personal email is what you use?

sophi: jmadero: or November, it's a bug hunting for first 4.4.0

jmadero: often times yes

jmadero: with a specific task

jmadero: maybe a small query with a few bugs

sophi: colonelqubit: jmadero: do you blog on the planet? it could be a good way also to spread the work

colonelqubit: colonelqubit: I want to blog, but I just can't find the time right now

jmadero: sophi: not enough time to blog these days, but I do occasionally

jmadero: I'm linked in

jmadero: I'm afraid it's not as useful as we hope

jmadero: most non contributors don't follow the blog

jmadero: and those people we want to become contributors

sophi: jmadero: lot of people follow the planet, so inviting them could work

jmadero: ah okay

jmadero: maybe a small query and a blog post

jmadero: so people reading can just click the link and start

jmadero: probably newer reported bugs

sophi: jmadero: yes :)

Sweetshark: jmadero: also the planets recent posts are now on the libreoffice.org frontpage ...

jmadero: ah! that's fantastic

colonelqubit: If we want to be successful at recruiting and onboarding new QA people, I think we need to reduce the training effort

colonelqubit: perhaps a couple of screencasts could make it much more of a watch-and-follow process

sophi: colonelqubit: and also Moztrap could help here to drive people to tests, then to more advanced QA tasks

jmadero: colonelqubit: I tend to find that just giving two steps is best

jmadero: "set to NEW if you can confirm, set to WORKSFORME if you can't"

jmadero: everything else is just extra

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: yes they do (talking from the screencasts development did). but its a _lot_ of work.

jmadero: and "leave a short message with your OS and version of LibreOffice"

colonelqubit: Right now I think we're really tentative about setting stuff to WORKSFORME. Perhaps we should be a bit more bold there

jmadero: I am quite bold about it - but that's with a little bit of experience

jmadero: oh and NEEDINFO

jmadero: "if instructions aren't quite clear, set to NEEDINFO"

colonelqubit: Sweetshark: okay, I'll try to figure out how much time a screencast will take, and then maybe just make a couple so we can start to iterate on quality

colonelqubit: More numbers

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: from my experience you can easily assume ~one evening for a good 5 minutes thing ...

mjayfrancis: I haven't used the "easy" bug submission assistant, but if it doesn't already, perhaps some text would be useful to make clear that the point is first to help another person to reproduce the bug?

mjayfrancis: I see a lot of bugs go past that fail on that front

colonelqubit: I think the text of the BSA says "Steps to reproduce the problem"

colonelqubit: mjayfrancis: we could try to improve that -- any suggestions you have would be appreciated

Sweetshark: colonelqubit, mjayfrancis: yes. the BSA has "steps to repro"/"expected b."/"actual behaviour" thingies

mjayfrancis: I'll take a look in the daylight and get back to you

colonelqubit: cool

More stats colonelqubit: Okay, quickly looking at other numbers

colonelqubit: Regressions in 4.3 not in 4.2 -- up to 56 from 49

Liongold: If I may get in...

colonelqubit: Regressions in 4.2 not in 4.1 -- stable at 107

colonelqubit: Liongold: yep, what's up?

Liongold: The BSA has a search while the user is filling in the form which shows him if there are similar bugs.

Sweetshark: What possibly might help the BSA would possibly interlinking with ask.l.o and an link to a freenode #libreoffice-qa webchat ...

Liongold: Maybe add some more text inviting those who find their bug to confirm it?

colonelqubit: Bringing bug reporters into IRC could be helpful, but I'm not sure if we have consistent coverage

colonelqubit: I think we're doing better these days

Liongold: Also most likely, they will be sent to bugzilla again

colonelqubit: Liongold: not sure what you mean. Do you mean having the bug reporter provide a persuasive argument why someone should repro it?

jmadero: another idea btw for contributors - is sharing contributors, having some "cross over training"

slacka: Could anyone help with a bug? I just tested https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83664 on a 3rd laptop and had no issue reproducing it

IZBot: bug 83664: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED VIEWING: Assertion failed! Error with Win-x86@39 build

colonelqubit: slacka: maybe a bit later

slacka: but the tester thinks it's a corrupt download issue or something...thanks colonel

sophi: slacka: we are currently in a meeting

Liongold: colonelqubit: I'm talking about proposing to send users to IRC. Most likely, someone will tell them open a bug report.

colonelqubit: Liongold: I guess that all depends upon what our strategy is

Sweetshark: Liongold, colonelqubit: I thought more along the lines of "If you want to check back with the QA team if there is anything missing or wrong with your report, you can go to #libreoffice-qa (link)" at the end of the BSA ...

colonelqubit: Liongold: if we have a policy where we accept user q's into a channel (#-qa or not)

Liongold: Anyway, I retire again. If there's a need for work on the BSa, tell me.

sophi: Sweetshark: +1

colonelqubit: Hmm

colonelqubit: Sweetshark: I think one of the big problems is that we have a lot of users who just aren't sure where to start

colonelqubit: I field a couple of inquiries daily from users who are posting to the Q&A feedback form on the Ask site

colonelqubit: I think some of that comes from them not being sure how to log in to the Ask site or (perhaps) to our bug tracker

colonelqubit: Clearer up-front documentation about how to file a bug report and what information we need to reproduce it might lessen that support burden

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: being the devils advocate here: Do you really want to train someone that cant figure out a OpenID-login to the state that they are useful to the QA team? Id guess that is a lot of work ...

sophi: colonelqubit: but that is supposed to be done by the BSA

colonelqubit: All I know is that we have more work right now than the team can handle

colonelqubit: And we have a lot of users posting in the wrong spot

sophi: colonelqubit: so what we have to improve is the way users check for their problems

colonelqubit: So that seems to tell me that we need

1) More QA team members

2) Better docs

sophi: colonelqubit: and ask them to make it reproduce first on ask or on the users list or anywhere it could be reproduced

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: so we have a/ too many report for us to confirm/reject in a good way b/ people who write bug reports of limited use in the wrong place that would give us even more report if reported in the right place

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: IMHO ignore b/ for now and focus on a/

jmadero: +1

jmadero: docs are an endless hole - they are nice, but time consuming, and currently we have more important things to accomplish

colonelqubit: Ok. I feel back about ignoring those inquiries, but I'll follow your lead

colonelqubit: s/back/bad/

mjayfrancis: If users are going to ask.l.o first, is there any procedure whereby someone scans questions for probable bugs? Or is it just a matter of waiting for someone to jump up and down about an issue

mjayfrancis: and, same question wrt non-English questions

colonelqubit: mjayfrancis: I used to work on getting potential bugs from Ask -> Bugzilla, but as Joel and Bjoern say, the problem is so big we're already overloaded with the existing stuff that makes it into Bugzilla in English

mjayfrancis: English questions are perhaps one thing, but it seems to me that if we also ignore all the foreign language questions, there's a disconnect where the non-Englishly-inclined may have a hard time getting problems taken notice of

sophi: mjayfrancis: in the FR lists, we filter what could be a bug and reproduce it on several OS and narrow the version number before filling it, but we miss more teams like this in the NLPs

Sweetshark: mjayfrancis: my feeling is that at some point, someone comes along with a link to a existing bug report and asking "maybe you see this bug?". Often the bugzilla bug already has more useful info at that point than the ask.l.o question.

colonelqubit: So from a QA perspective, we'll focus on Bugzilla. If Ask users can figure out how to use Bugzilla, then we'll pay attention

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: sounds good to me.

sophi: colonelqubit: +1 too

colonelqubit: FWIW, I think I've been the only person responding to English inquiries to the Ask Q&A form. If we're not going to allocate time to deal with those inquiries, I suggest that we just disable that tool.

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: We might have an EasyHack about helping people out on ask.l.o (from the QA teams point of view, thats an excellent exercise without much mentoring needed -- once someone is doing that, we should just try to pick them up).

colonelqubit: perhaps evgeny can help with that

colonelqubit: Sweetshark: that could be useful. I know that oweng and a few others are active there

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: right. and oweng is essentially running the show on libreofficeforum.org, so good to have him happy and motivated IMHO.

sophi: he is also on the users@list

colonelqubit: sophi: Okay, I'll touch base with oweng and see if he can help feed contributors into QA

sophi: colonelqubit: ok, let me know if I can help with him

colonelqubit: sophi: Sure, I'll email him and cc you

sophi: colonelqubit: ok :)

colonelqubit: ACTION: Robinson will email oweng re: recruiting for QA from users list and Ask.LO

 colonelqubit: Okay, didn't want the meeting to stretch out for too long here

sophi: colonelqubit: np, I've finished my diner ;)

Bugzilla Migration colonelqubit: Bugzilla migration work is still underway

colonelqubit: I'll be installing Bugzilla on our VM starting next week. If anyone would like to help, just drop me an email

colonelqubit: We'll do some load testing after that

colonelqubit: what else..

sophi: colonelqubit: if you think I can help by testing, just ping me

colonelqubit: Big thanks to everyone who gave me bugs for the ESC

colonelqubit: sophi: (will do)

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: do you have some upload space from infra to put the VM?

colonelqubit: Sweetshark: upload space?

colonelqubit: Sweetshark: there's a VM for the bugzilla test

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: then you could upload the VM image there ... and possibly tell e.g. the QA list "new bugzilla is there, come and play with it" ...

colonelqubit: Sweetshark: yep, that's the plan

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: great

sophi: colonelqubit: so count me in when it's ready

Redmine Usage bfoman: anyone know/can explain why UX bugs will be moved to RedMine?

sophi: bfoman: they are moving all there workflow to redmine

colonelqubit: bfoman: AFAIK, the Design team wanted to use Redmine for organization

sophi: bfoman: forum, bugs, wiki, etc

Sweetshark: bfoman, sophi: thats on hold -- we will be discussing this on the ESC

colonelqubit: They said that they'll keep LO bugs in bugzilla, but we'll see what happens

sophi: bfoman: they found it more convenient for their work to have all in one place

bfoman: bugs both in bugzilla and redmine doesn't make sense


 * colonelqubit shrugs

sophi: Sweetshark: ah, just had the result of their meeting where they said they finally moved

colonelqubit: Once we get bugzilla migrated, then we can actually do things like create new projects

bfoman: from qa point of view it is more convenient for my work to have all bugs in one place

colonelqubit: bfoman: certainly

Sweetshark: bfoman, sophi: having some bugs on RM and others is horribly confusing to newcomers and will cause a lot of friction along the lines of two entrenched teams yelling at each other "I wont get a bz login, use our shiny RM" -- "I wont get a RM login, use our shiny bz"

colonelqubit: And from the QA side of things, we'll be focused on Bugzilla

sophi: bfoman: we all want that :)

colonelqubit: Anyhow...

Sweetshark: (not to mention having a tiny design wiki that nobody will know about because it is shadowed by the TDF wiki)

colonelqubit: Sweetshark: you mean like having the TDF wiki and the help wiki, and they have the same primary icon and the same favicon?

colonelqubit: :P

sophi: Sweetshark: I agree, but the so small team needs a way to work and if it's redmine that is better for them, I tend to support that

Sweetshark: sophi: yeah, as said: we will discuss in the ESC call tomorrow.

sophi: Sweetshark: ok

colonelqubit: So, anything else? Other topics?

Sweetshark: sophi: IMHO the best way would be to convince them that we could make our own bugzilla fix most of their issues ...

Sweetshark: sophi: but lets see

sophi: Sweetshark: but they won't have a forum and a wiki at the same place

bfoman: i can't imagine to say a bug reporter to register at yet another tracker, because ux guys are there

bfoman: see also is nt a solution

colonelqubit: bfoman: the Design team said in Bern that they'd do the translation back and forth

colonelqubit: but with such a small team (or any team, really) that's not a long-term solution

bfoman: waste of time and scarce workforce (ux decisions are taking forever)

Sweetshark: sophi: having them in a wiki on RM will almost certainly mean that the design pages on the TDF wiki will be unmaintained (and thus hurt ux team growth severly) ...

bfoman: another wiki? doesn't make sense

colonelqubit: This brings up a bigger issue: Aside from the teams themselves, who's encouraging both team growth and inter-team coordination?

Sweetshark: sophi: from the 10000 feet view, it is more important to grow the ux team than to get the most of the current tiny team ...

sophi: Sweetshark: I don't know, they have tested it since more than a month and are more happy with this way of working, so it's something to take care too

jmadero: ...this stuff seems slightly outside of the scope of QA

Sweetshark: sophi: yeah, well. lets not discuss by proxy ;) -- lets punt this to the ESC team.

colonelqubit: Well I guess we'll see after we chat in ESC tomorrow

jmadero: every team has to find volunteers and all that fun stuff

sophi: Sweetshark: agreed, but again, they can't grow if they don't feel at ease with there workflow

jmadero: we successfully did this in QA - others need to find their ways

jmadero: we can't be responsible for everyone

colonelqubit: jmadero: I hope they do :-)

jmadero: Jay has joined the design team

jmadero: as have a few others

jmadero: sure - just can't overstretch our team

jmadero: to get concerned about every other team

sophi: jmadero: this is my concern ;)

colonelqubit: I think that's part of the problem: A lot of insular teams

jmadero: colonelqubit: sure - but our job right now is not to deal with this during a QA call

jmadero: if some volunteer wants to spend their own time

jmadero: to get comfortable with every team

colonelqubit: Maybe it's not the QA team's role here, but there should be some body tasked with that role

jmadero: and then help onboard people to every team

jmadero: "should be"

jmadero: sure a volunteer would be fantatsic

jmadero: I'm not jumping up for that job ;)

colonelqubit: Anyhow, not the QA's job. We've got plenty of other stuff to deal with!

colonelqubit: So for now we'll be insular and focus on QA stuff.

colonelqubit: Anything else, folks?

sophi: jmadero: again, that's part of what I try

jmadero: sophi: +1

jmadero: sophi: I'm going to try to get more comfy with documentation stuff

jmadero: so I can be a little familiar with their procedures

jmadero: but QA alone takes hours and hours

jmadero: and yet we still fall behind

sophi: jmadero: I'm on it just now :)

Ending call colonelqubit: Okay, sounds like everyone's had a chance to talk

colonelqubit: Thanks for showing up. Our next meeting will be on September 24th at the same time - 02:42:06 PM

sophi: colonelqubit: ok, thanks for running it :)

colonelqubit: I'm now off in search of greener network pastures

Sweetshark: jmadero: cant be a volunteer -- at least not one who is not a project veteran. If you have two teams fighting to use their pet toy tool and you make a call on that, there will always be bad blood.

jmadero: Sweetshark: I think it's just about being comfortable onboarding new volunteers

jmadero: not usurping the procedures to be equal

Sweetshark: jmadero: but IMHO the BoD has to have an eye on that. In the past there were a lot of these introduced e.g. in the infra team and we need to make sure those tools are not causing friction and duplicting functionality for essentially personal preference.

jmadero: sure, understandable

sophi: all: look at Regina's mail on the marketing list

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: did you talk to cloph about the tagging releng stuff already?

colonelqubit: Sweetshark: yes, I've been fighting with hotel wifi networks here

colonelqubit: luckily there's a conf network downstairs, so I'm heading there right after this and hopefully it will give me more love

Sweetshark: colonelqubit: great

The State of QA
Including any Opening Discussion


 * xx- Bugzilla migration
 * Updates...
 * Re: need to reset passwords
 * Email notification ahead of migration
 * Tweak the change-password page and the front page to indicate that people will need to reset their passwords
 * Create an 'About our new Bugzilla' video as a part of our 'Intro to QA' series


 * Bugzilla:
 * SUGGESTION: Use bugs.documentfoundation.org/ to host Bugzilla
 * We can have both LibreOffice and some of the Document Liberation Project libraries all exist as top-level products in the bugtracker
 * QUESTION: Should we refocus ourselves as the TDF QA Team (to cover LibreOffice, DLP, etc.. ?)


 * ACTION: Send thank-yous to Xamarin and Michael's brother (Joel)



weekly status

 * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html

UNCONFIRMED Bugs
UNCONFIRMED bug count:
 * July 30th: 712
 * Today: 822
 * Difference: 110


 * ACTION: Joel will come up with strategies (bloggers? other marketing?) to get us under 500 UNCONFIRMED over the summer (by the end of August)



Regression watch (Bjoern)

 * Regressions in 4.3 not in 4.2
 * Previous Counts: 32, 37, 41, 46, 49
 * Regressions in 4.2 not in 4.1
 * Previous Counts: 65, 85, 99, 102, 107


 * Query for bibisected regressions: Bibisected bugs
 * Broken down by component and Severity
 * Previous counts: 64, 81, 94, 95, 108, 129, 148


 * ACTION: Joel will dig through bibisected and regressions confirmed bugs and prioritize according to flowchart



Topics for ESC?
Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)



needAdvice Bugs
needAdvice bugs
 * Previous counts: 80+, 32, 32, 29, 23, 24



PENDING ITEM: Auto-updates for regular users and QA Testing

 * ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
 * ACTION: Open discussion again re:auto-update for QA on the mailing list (Robinson)
 * Related: - "LibreOffice-Installation enhancement/medium NEW UI: Provide RSS feed for torrent downloads" (Joel)
 * PUNTED: Bring up proposal to use Mozilla updater tooling for LibreOffice (Robinson)



PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

 * ACTION: Organize time to stress-test new Bugzilla VM (Joel)
 * ACTION: Make sure to suppress outgoing email during our testing of the test Bugzilla (Robinson)
 * ACTION: Perhaps add Simple HTTP Auth (htaccess) control restricting access to https://bugzilla-test.documentfoundation.org/ (Robinson/Norbert)
 * ACTION: Resolve url for hosting our Bugzilla instance (Joel)
 * Deal with acronym if using tdf.org url (tdf# ?)


 * ACTION: Set up call and/or thread(s) with the useful people on a mailing list (Robinson)
 * May 22 - Started process
 * June - Need to follow-up again with key people re: current progress (Robinson)



PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

 * ACTION: Chat w/Bjoern, etc... re: updates to bibisect repos (Robinson)
 * Propose docs on testing w/3.3.0 separately to place bugs in pre-LO category (Robinson)
 * ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Norbert)
 * Perhaps ask Cloph for help re: Bibisect stuff, and keep Norbert's cycles free for Bugzilla migration

To review:
 * IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
 * IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit



PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

 * ACTION: Review BibiGUI -- any Windows/C# Python volunteer dev (Bjoern)
 * June 19 - Joel may have found a volunteer?
 * ACTION: Create an EasyHack a bug for the process of rewriting the existing C# code in Python (or Java) (Florian R.)
 * ACTION: Joel will poke the new guy again on email that showed up with dev experience

Related:
 * ACTION: SI-GUI: Contact the people running "interesting" Windows tinderboxes and ask for their assistance (Florian R.)



PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

 * ACTION: Check on status of LibreOffice building in the cloud for hackfests (Robinson)
 * Included in the notes for hackfest planning

Update on:
 * Events/2014/US_Summer_Hackfest
 * Other Events: (School in Pennsylvania)?



PENDING ITEM: Whiteboard Naming Conventions

 * ACTION: Update tags in the whiteboard to use 'wimpyCaps' (ALL)
 * We had a discussion about filter:xxx, and not sure we found a perfect resolution...
 * Also continue to clarify the use of capitals in the whiteboard, etc..



PENDING ITEM: Discuss usefulness of QA project in Redmine
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PENDING ITEM: QA Budget
Some ideas for our possible QA Budget


 * Host bibisect repo in the cloud -- use VNC to connect
 * Testing builds in the cloud @ the Boston Hackfest -- good for 1-off testing, but slow for 10 bibisects in a row (Robinson)
 * Perhaps a good target for onboarding (Bjoern)
 * Makes things run very quickly, get people hooked
 * We can spin-up a new machine for each person we're onboarding
 * Daily builds (also in the cloud?)
 * SDK tutorial?
 * Get python community interested in LibreOffice
 * Python IDE support for creating LibreOffice extensions?
 * Can be beneficial for both communities
 * Need to find someone in Python community to help move this forward


 * Hackfest hardware
 * Especially helpful when we don't have good bandwidth/stable connection
 * Other items
 * Crash reporter for Windows
 * Moztrap improvements
 * Ask sophie about a solid proposal for what could be done
 * Native-lang BSA for more projects
 * Biggest hurdle is getting native-lang communities to sign-up for long-term commitment to deal with bug reports (Robinson)

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Long-term/Frozen Pending Items
These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

 * ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:
 * Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?

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PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

 * ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:
 * Next steps for NL versions (bug #?)

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PENDING ITEM: US Merch Store

 * (Future progress)

PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

 * ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:
 * How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:
 * MAB Tool - Server/service down for now

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PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

 * ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)
 * Need to meet w/Charlie R. to talk with his Uni contacts as well

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