QA/Meetings/2014/February 10

=Prep=

= Agenda + Minutes =

 Minutes:

Content from the meeting itself ("the minutes") will be displayed in blue boxes like this.

Before we Start
A few minutes before we officially start the call, we'll try to have a few people on hand to help assist newbies set up their teleconferencing gear, get things muted, and log on to all of our communication channels:
 * QA/IRC
 * Etherpad - QA Pad
 * Talkyoo or Google Hangout

Start
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The State of QA
Including any Opening Discussion


 * T-shirts update:
 * Kiva Cards?
 * More T-shirts delivered to:
 * Still en-route to:
 * Hackert, Mandal


 * Any update on possible Hackfest in the US (School in Pennsylvania) ?


 * Consider rethinking QA Meeting time (Joel)
 * It's too late for Florian R.
 * ACTION: Joel will set up a doodle for a new QA Meeting time


 * Kiva cards sent
 * Will send out blurb once I check with Italo/Marketing (Robinson)
 * Possible Bug Hunting event for 4.2.2 ? (Sophie)
 * 4.2.2 will be in RC in about a month
 * Pennsylvania Hackfest: Update?
 * Tentatively in April
 * Question about how many students we could get pre-registered (Joel)
 * What about partnering with OpenHatch?
 * Hackfests can give us multiple things:
 * Possible new contributors
 * GSoC interest
 * New contributors (in QA, Documentation, etc...)
 * Awareness of FOSS in high schools and university campuses
 * Awareness of LibreOffice in particular (good place for expanded use of LO)
 * ACTION: Joel will respond to planning email and help shape what we can/want to do
 * ACTION: Robinson will check-in with OpenHatch/Deb Nichols to investigate partnership
 * California has a lot of schools in close proximity, so might be a good place for us to plan a multi-school trip (Joel)

UNCONFIRMED Bugs
UNCONFIRMED bug count:
 * January 27th: 774
 * Today (10th): 874
 * Difference: +100


 * Numbers climbing up -- what can we do to keep these numbers down? (Robinson)
 * Some positive interest from NA users (Joel)
 * Make sure to have at least one of the experienced users in the chat room as much as possible
 * There are a number of duplicates that need to be consolidated (Sophie)

Topics for ESC?
Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

Need_Advice Bugs
Need_Advice bugs

I'm going to bring up the following bugs:
 * (Perhaps more a11y bugs?)


 * NeedAdvice list doing well (a bit shorter)

PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

 * ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:
 * Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?


 * Had interest from Mozilla coordinator at FOSDEM to join us (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

 * ACTION: Robinson will work on a new lobster mascot for our Bugzilla
 * ACTION: Robinson/Cloph will talk to Tollef about next steps in Bugzilla migration
 * Waiting to hear back from Tollef
 * ACTION: Joel/Alex working to give Robinson a VM in which to test Bugzilla ourselves
 * This will speed-up the 2nd half of migration and after-migration tasks

Older:
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to activate voting on FDO (merged item)
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail (merged item)
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to clarify 'version' label in Bugzilla (merged item)
 * ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates (re: Bold statement on FDO mail)


 * Owen made up a great lobster mascot -- will unveil it once we have our instance up and running (Robinson)
 * Will feel better if we can slowly work on our side in a VM (Joel)
 * Should have a VM up by end of February for testing
 * PSA: Now that we have Redmine up and running, the official position is to send infrastructure bugs there
 * (but FDO WWW subcomponent is still available for now)

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

 * ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Robinson) + Provide better docs
 * ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Robinson)

To review:
 * Robinson working on bibisect docs


 * IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
 * IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit


 * punt

PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

 * ACTION: Punt on implementation until after we have bibisect repos up and running (All)
 * Florian is working on a Windows-only version


 * Florian pushed-out a beta release ... (Joel)
 * ACTION: Joel will ask people to test the Windows Bibisect GUI

PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

 * ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page
 * [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will ping chs/website list to make sure the feedback page is styled per the site redesign
 * Feb 01 - Pinged chs/website list that the newdesign Feeback page still doesn't pass url params
 * Feb xx - Filed a bug in Redmine

To review:
 * Feedback page in new mockup
 * NL versions (bug #?)


 * We'll work on translations once the website redesign is put into production (Sophie)

PENDING ITEM: EOL, Release series, and Stable versions

 * ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)


 * Wait and see how the website redesign presents the Fresh vs. Stable version, too

PENDING ITEM: QA Input into website redesign

 * ACTION: Sophie/Robinson - Keep QA in the loop re: updates to QA pages

Website Redesign:
 * http://newdesign.libreoffice.org/


 * New website will be out very soon (Robinson)
 * Sophie will get us an update in the next few days

PENDING ITEM: Start Center and Sidebar Concerns

 * ACTION: Robinson will get an update on the latest progress here from Stuart/a11y Team
 * Feb 1 - Emailed
 * ACTION: If you try to use LibreOffice without a mouse (and using a screen reader), how is the experience? (Everyone)

Relevant tracker bugs:
 * GNU/Linux -
 * macOS -
 * Windows -


 * Will ping again
 * There's been a lot of discussion re: the sidebar (is it redundant?) (Joel)

PENDING ITEM: Introduction video to LibreOffice QA

 * ACTION: Mock something up/have something to show at a future QA Meeting (Robinson, Joren)


 * Delayed (FOSDEM :-)

PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

 * ACTION: Joel will come up with a timeframe for future Bug Hunting Sessions/Triage Contests, with rationale.
 * Let's try to have an event every 6 months


 * Possibly something with 4.2.2
 * Sophie will organize it for Week 11

PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

 * ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
 * ACTION: Write a script to make sure builds are being produced daily! (Robinson)


 * Will touch base with Cloph again
 * Mac builds of master are down today (Sophie)

Long-term/Frozen Pending Items
These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

 * ACTION: Joel will turn this into an EasyHack and work on it (slowly)
 * - Cleanup Whiteboard Wiki Page



PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

 * ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:
 * How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:
 * MAB Tool - Server/service down for now

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 * Things are going well (Sophie)
 * List is still growing a bit
 * Perhaps clarify exactly what criteria to be a MAB? (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

 * ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation

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PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

 * ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)

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PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

 * ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)

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New Action Items
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New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)
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Announcements

 * ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... February 24th (Monday) at 19:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

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