Design/Meetings/2015-04-22

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2015-04-22-tc4147541.html

Minutes
Apr 29, 2015; 7:23am Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-04-22
 * Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Stuart
 * Completed Action Items:


 * Pending Action Items:

+ Kendy: agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget + Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing in child icon sets (Jay) + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete
 * UI changes integrated the last week:

+ Rearrange Chart toolbars https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90492 + Draw sidebar open by default (Kendy) + Styles & Formatting sidebar tab has style preview (Tomaz) + Finalized Draw UI (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90090

+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + should add information how to create new widgets (Heiko) + generally UI guidelines should be kept simple to avoid the stagation that more detailed documents get (Ken) + had the Friday session about this + so far mostly getting on the same page - UX vision & personas (Heiko) + continue this Friday
 * UI Guidelines (Heiko)
 * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)

+ Shouldn't the icons in the Start Center always be the TDF/LibreOffice official "Branding" icons regardless of the icon theme? (Pedro) AI     + best to agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos (Kendy) + bug in the start center: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90127 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90387 + Tango (Alex/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + fixed two incorrectly shown icons (Jay)

+ Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + Andreas pushed some more icons (Jay) + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing + presented the ~10 at ESC + query for all the NeedsDevEal them: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&list_id=533105&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=needsDevEval%20needDevEval&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr + will present the UI related ones in the ESC weekly (Kendy) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&list_id=533111&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=needsDevEval%20TopicUi&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr AI     + let's triage what's there, and then use the "needsDevEval topicUI" combination for the proposed UI Easy Hacks (Jay / Stuart) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Whiteboard/Advanced + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Whiteboard + there is inconsistency between needDevEval, neeedsDevEval and NeedsDevEval + would be good if QA makes it consistent - querying is hard: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needsDevEval (26 bugs) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needDevEval (14 bugs) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=NeedsDevEval (75 bugs) AI     + poke QA guys to make this consistent (Stuart) + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding + it is a bit thin, so feel free to hack at it. + need some crafting on the Whiteboard as to scope of 5.0 branding proposals, e.g.         + visual design (color scheme, icons) + StartCenter specifics (changes to layout--yes/no--) + placment or size of thumbnail views/template views etc.   + already some responses to posts to Users and Design MLs + needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements + reached to some people we know (Heiko, Jay) + now to spread the word more AI     + put it online (Kendy)
 * How best to provide kendy with a list of needsDevEval (Jay)
 * Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy)
 * Insert Chart (Heiko/Jay)

+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit?usp=sharing + http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-inserting-a-chart/ + blog posted + discussion with Pedro - many issues solved + non-continuous charts request + much input from others too + concern about removing functionality - but acceptable if it is possible to tweak it a differen way / later + 12pm UTC + Continue with last friday's insert chart discussion as it hasnt been completed + List of possible future topics https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing + Topic: Style guide - continued https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + like, where we want to rely on other guidelines, and what we want to design / decide ourselves * UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart) (340 bugs in ux-advice today) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&list_id=527515&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- + everyone please feel empowered to look at that + act: reject, implement, decide, or bring to     the meeting or mailing list if controversial + please be kind when closing requests, usually people have spent quite some energy filing that + Jay will go through the ux-advise bugs he has added (Jay) + to decrease the backlog, we should take ~5 easy to decide bugs to every meeting, and deal with them (Stuart) AI     + the next meeting, let's try it - select few that are easy to deal with (Stuart) + might be good to track it in a doc (Jay) + pad might be enough - let's start with this in the pad for now (Kendy) + and for grouping, we can use meta-bug (Stuart/Kendy) AI     + will parse the list and generate entries to the Design Pad--tdf# and title--and when added include in a BZ Meta (but put it in UI component) (Stuart)
 * Next Friday's design session (Jay)