Design/Meetings/2015-04-08

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2015-04-08-tc4145871.html

Minutes
Apr 10, 2015; 11:36am Jan Holesovsky Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-04-08


 * Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Mattias, Kendy, Stuart
 * Completed Action Items:

+ Heiko: Publish it in the Shapes sidebar blog post + Matthias: Provide a mockup of a single accordion collection of shapes


 * Pending Action Items:

+ Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing in child icon sets (Jay) + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is more complete


 * UI changes integrated the last week:

+ More reorganization of buttons in the Calc toolbars (Jay) + More Breeze icons (Andreas) + .ui improvements (Bubli)

+ positivive feedback to possible use of the accordion widget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accordion_%28GUI%29 + it is quite a change if we introduce that in LibreOffice (Kendy) + development of the widget itself + native theming - Gtk+ / macOS / Qt / Windows - are there native impl's? (Kendy) + is there something close that would provide similar functionality in LibreOffice? (Kendy) + like a modified tree view? (Kendy) + different that you can open any level (Heiko) + powerful, but not that easy to use + actually it seems that eg. Calligra uses a modified tree view (Heiko) + disadvantage of accordion: uses quite a lot of space (Heiko) + would be good to have a graphical designer to think about this - just to have something nice & creative (Heiko) + even accordion would be a big change - so we can experiment (Kendy) AI + create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept, so that we can try how it feels (Kendy) + interesting use case for trying the accordion could be the Tools -> Options... dialog (Kendy/Heiko)
 * Accordion widget (Heiko)


 * Icon Updates / Issues

+ Shouldn't the icons in the Start Center always be the TDF/LibreOffice official icons regardless of the icon theme? (Pedro) http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Breeze-Icons-tp4145012p4145242.html https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90387 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90127 + KDE HIG forbid to change the official icons (Heiko) + like, when you have the LibreOffice official icon / logo, it shouldn't be branded + are the Writer / Calc / ... icons actually logos? (Kendy) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Logos + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Icons + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements AI     + best to agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos (Kendy) + Tango + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + pushed new icons for Calc (Jay)

+ Sifr + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + cleaning up with Andreas (Jay) + got into Ubuntu 15.04 + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/LibreOffice_Annual_Conference/Presentation_Template#Proposals + great work by Klaus-Juergen, thanks so much! (all) + unfortunately no other participants + we should have promoted that more, via G+ - sorry about that (Kendy) + all look good - up to marketing if it is necessary to have one official, or if the people can choose from more (Kendy) + needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about + not to take results as is, could be used as an inspiration (Kendy) + competition - a possibility to reach out to people, to get fresh blood (Jay) + hesitant if we get enough useful contribution (Stuart) + still I'd like to try it :-) (Kendy)       + use similar wording as in the templates contest (Kendy)    + we can also reach to some people we know (Jay)        + will do that (Jay)        + and if no positive answers / good outcome, competition the next week (Kendy)
 * Presentation templates for the LibreOffice conference 2015 (K-J)
 * Artwork competition for LibreOffice 5.0 (Kendy)


 * Insert Special Character (Heiko/Jay)

+ Blog posted - http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-special-character/ (Heiko) + People quite liked the simple solution + Addition of an editable unicode name to allow search by symbol name suggested + All like extended solution, if it possible to implement + no further comments, topic can be closed


 * Shapes Sidebar (Heiko/Jay)

+ Blog posted - http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-shapes/ + 4 comments + support of the accordion widget + final descision for what type of accordion layout needed when implemenation starts + republished on the G+ design group today


 * Insert Chart (Heiko/Jay)

+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit?usp=sharing + Discussion started last friday and will continue this friday


 * Next Friday's design session (Jay)

+ 12pm UTC + Continue with last Friday's insert chart discussion as it hasn't been completed + List of possible future topics https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing + Topic: Reorganized toolbars in Chart + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90492 https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=114663

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&list_id=527515&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- + everyone please feel empowered to look at that + act: reject, implement, decide, or bring to     the meeting or mailing list if controversial
 * UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart) (338 bugs in ux-advice today, and growing)