Design/Meetings/2016-03-18

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2016-03-18-tc4178998.html

Minutes
Mar 18, 2016; 2:03pm Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-03-18


 * Present: Akshay, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Samuel, Xaviju


 * UI changes integrated the last week:

+ Shortcuts improvements (Jay) + Allow multiple status bar functions at the same time (Dennis) + Various gtk3 fixes (Caolan) + Message missing from blank properties tab (Fabio) + Don't close the spellchecker when finished (Samuel) + Resize media and OLE objects proportionally by default (Samuel) + Track icon changes in the new menus (Maxim) + Galaxy anchor markers can be dragged again (Regina) + Mail merge workflow rework - new toolbar, removed some wizard steps (Kendy, Miklos)


 * GSoC

+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

+ students appearing, good! + important to get a non-trivial Easy Hack done! (Kendy) + plus points for easy hacks in the areas the students are applying for (Kendy)


 * Bring back the legacy Save toolbar button as customization option? (Heiko)

+ Due to accessibility Ctrl+S is not enough, and the split option confuses sometimes (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98730) + Save as known from the main menu is not available in the customization + How to name this function to make the difference to the new Save clear (Ideas: "Just save", "Save directly", "Legacy Save", "Save Document")

+ the single button was changed from normal buttton to split button (Jay) + not possible to have the same command as split and non-split in the toolbar (Kendy) + but possible to have an additional button for 'normal' save (Kendy)

+ not sure I understand the core of the issue here though? (Kendy) + comment 10 + sounds like a very special use case (Samuel)

+ the initial proposal was to have a new .uno: command for the split button (Jay) + but in the end, it was implemented as an extension of .uno:Save (Jay)

+ conclusion: Let's create a separate bug report for this & easy-hackize it       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98745 + in there, .uno:Save would be non-split, and there will be an additional .uno:SaveExt that will have the split + maybe it's possible to use the command alias by Maxim (Samuel) + will try it (Jay) + with the alias, the alias will probably be the non-split variant - .uno:SaveLegacy or so (Jay/Kendy) + concern about the naming for the customization dialog (Heiko / Jay)


 * Sidebar survey

+ first results (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/SidebarUsage

+ users want freedom + and prefer static interfaces

+ needs more detailed analysis still (Heiko) + lots of free text too (Heiko) + can see the raw data? (Jay) + yes, attached there too (Heiko)

+ will finish the Draw survey first, then this (Heiko) + not urgent now, but good to have the data (Heiko)


 * Removal of the properties dialog in template mangager (Jay)

+ Akshay submited a patch to remove it as has no benefit https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/23339/ + apparently it shares Impress code some way (good) (Kendy) + but a bad way (bad) (Kendy) + you can modify it, have a toolbar there, etc.

+ there is a proposal for additional rework (Jay) + problems with the current one: toolbar that appears and disappears (Heiko) + would be better to not have the Properties, and instead the additional info in the sidebar or something (Heiko) + concern about tabs (Heiko) + they are gone in the proposal (Jay)

+ conclusion: Heiko and Jay will initiate a Design session to finalize the proposal + and then it's ready for implementation :-)       + will subscribe to the Design ML (Akshay)


 * Google and OneDrive CMIS functionality (Jay)

+ discussed this in the ESC, Cloph is on this (Kendy)


 * Single Toolbar Mode (Jay/Samuel)

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92218 + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/22818

+ the concern was a specialized button to hide some toolbars, and show other (Samuel) + the mechanism was more about providing more kind of views - switch from toolbar-centric view to sidebar-centric (Jay) + some configurable way to have a 'sidebar mode', and 'toolbar mode'; and potentially 'single toolbar mode' - ideally with saving the previous state (Jay) + this goes nicely with https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas#Infrastructure_for_defining_toolbars_via_.ui_.28Glade.29_files (Kendy)

+ how the customization would be handled? (Heiko) + for the GSoC, we can do switching widgets on and off, but moving would be hard (Kendy) + possibility to use glade though (Kendy)

+ concern about the switching between the modes - is it useful for the user? (Heiko) + like, when they cannot customize it fully, will they appreaciate only switching? (Heiko) + hard to get it during this year's GSoC (Kendy) + not impossible, but... + but based on this, sidebar is a problem too (Samuel)