Design/Meetings/2013-06-22

Cast (in order of appearance)

 * Enervation
 * mirek2
 * astron

Topics

 * Impress Remote for Android
 * Sifr/Symbolic theme

Log
[18:40] hi [18:40] <@Enervation_> hi astron [18:40] hi [18:41] looking through the notes you posted [18:41] what is Sifr? [18:42] issa's flat theme [18:43] its the arabic word for zero apparently [18:43] but now i know why i found the name weird [18:43] i knew this before: http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr [18:44] oh ok [18:45] what do you think about the name (quickly)? [18:45] I'd prefer to stick to Gnome Symbolic [18:46] or just Symbolic [18:46] as it builds on that [18:47] "LibreOffice Symbolic", perhaps [18:48] ok [18:48] we should probably tell issa -- i think id like "symbolic" better, too [18:49] but if issa still wants, he can use the arabic word for it [18:49] sounds good [18:49] it is his, after all [18:50] will you email him? [18:51] ok. will do now. [18:51] (i can do this on-list, right?) [18:51] sure [18:51] any topics you'd like to cover today? [18:53] ok. hum. [18:53] whats happened in the past week..? [18:53] on our list, etc.? [18:55] michael chimed in with his thoughts on the impress remote [18:56] and someone wrote in about styles [18:57] yep. right [18:57] (wasn't this week, but we didn't cover it yet) [18:57] oh, and just today kracked-p-p told us about aoo in the google play store [18:58] right [18:58] but ok, michaels ideas about the impress remote are maybe the thing to discuss... [18:58] astron247: ok [18:59] so, he seems to want to disregard the whole "you may have multiple computers or a public computer" idea, it seems to me? [19:00] hm...I agree with him that the experience should be smooth [19:02] right. but the problem with enabling bluetooth automatically & in-app was one of regarding the android HIG [19:03] and theoretically, the connexions to pcs should be permanent (in my light testing that wasnt always the case) [19:04] where in the HIG? [19:06] I haven't tested the app yet, so I don't quite know how it works now [19:06] cant point you to it, but i know andrzej mentioned it [19:06] ill try to find it [19:11] I like the idea of automatically connecting to a certain computer [19:12] and offering other PCs as a secondary option [19:13] (same workflow as network connection) [19:14] hum, ... http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/bluetooth.html#SettingUp [19:14] they do seem to provide apis for it... [19:16] if bluetooth isnt on, the app could present a big "turn bluetooth on" button on the bluetooth screen [19:17] I agree that turning on wifi or bluetooth without permission would be too intrusive [19:18] sure, but with the big button you always have two taps [19:18] (one on the button, one for confirmation) [19:19] could we escape the confirmation? [19:20] * astron247 is not a developer [19:21] :) [19:21] if not, then show the dialog first [19:22] keep the button there, though, if the user declines [19:22] well, we probably have two tabs (bt & wifi) [19:23] yup [19:23] so, either could have a big "enable x" button on it, if said functionality is not on [19:23] yes, that's what I meant [19:24] maybe we could even switch to the wifi tab automatically if the user declines the bt enablement request [19:24] yes, that too [19:25] wifi is probably enabled on most phones permanently (i turn it off to save battery -- but generally chances should run high) [19:25] right [19:28] ok. [19:28] so, what do we do about public pcs? [19:28] i guess the most important thing is to enable people to easily decouple a phone from the pc..? [19:29] not owning a mobile device, I don't use Bluetooth [19:33] I could imagine parallels with wifi [19:33] in which case it's the owner's responsibility to protect the connection [19:34] but, yes, it should be easy to decouple a device [19:34] "not owning a mobile device" -- you mean you dont have a phone anymore? [19:35] I haven't had a cell phone for years [19:36] perhaps it could be harder to couple a device, though [19:36] to couple it permanently, I mean [19:36] well, bt is always a mystery to me. [19:37] so, ostensibly, the connexions are permanent, but half the time that does not work so well; so i decouple and recouple [19:37] :) [19:38] i also never got bt to work on windows. i ended up feeling pretty stupid there. [19:40] I imagine having an extra layer of security on the computer when connecting permanently -- a user password prompt [19:40] anyway, when coupling a device, i would propose showing a notification bar that asks if the phone should remain coupled forever or jsut for this one session [19:41] if the user doesnt choose anything, libo should just unpair when the software is closed [19:41] how about a checkbox before connecting? [19:42] (similar to "Stay signed in") [19:43] uhm... let me check. [19:43] and if "Connect automatically" is checked, we should ask for a password [19:45] (I'm talking about the PC side of things, of course) [19:46] ok [19:47] so, the whole connexion dialog on linux is native (i.e. its shown by gnome shell) [19:47] so, no way to add a checkbox [19:49] what about the Impress remote dialog? [19:49] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/78/GSoC-2013-Impress-3.-Connection-pairing.png [19:49] native too [19:50] really? [19:52] sorry no [19:52] that thing is currently a complete deadweight [19:52] if it shows up at all, it will render you unable to even close libreoffice [19:53] (although the latter bug seems to have been fixed) [19:53] but then, it does not show up [19:54] I assume by the new mockups that it will make a comeback, right? [19:54] well, hopefully -- we need it [19:56] right [19:57] hm. in my 4.0 build from opensuse this menu item is not present [19:57] (in my 4.2 master build it is) [19:58] its not in the stable release, I believe [19:58] ok, but it has been in master for some time... [19:59] I guess there are plans to fix it [20:00] uhm, enervation was the guy working on the ios remote? [20:01] really? [20:05] Siqi Liu is working on that [20:05] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/GSOC-Introduction-Implementation-of-an-iOS-remote-control-for-LibreOffice-td4058186.html [20:07] that was a question only [20:07] oh, ok [20:08] ok. [20:09] have we agreed on the connection workflow? [20:10] hm, mostly, i think [20:10] ok [20:13] do you want to work on this? [20:13] (mocking it up?) [20:13] perhaps you could update your proposal, write a reply to Michael, and if I disagree with anything, I'll just write a reply? [20:13] no [20:14] ok. [20:15] (i may not have understood it all...) [20:17] but, essentially you said that you did not want to work on the impress remote? [20:17] no [20:18] and you mean "no" in the sense of "i dont want to work on it"? [20:19] no, not what I meant [20:19] ok [20:20] I meant that, since you already have a proposal started, ... [20:20] ... you could add your thoughts on connection there [20:21] well its not much of a thought out proposal and i made it some time ago ... [20:22] that's fine [20:22] you can always refine it as you go [20:23] I'd chime in on the ml if I disagree with anything [20:24] and hopefully we can reach an agreement with Ming on this [20:24] on the list [20:26] I'd prefer to keep the mockups to him [20:27] (just realized that I somehow didn't read "do you want to work on this?") [20:28] (now things make more sense to me) [20:28] ok [20:31] does that sound ok? [20:31] right [20:31] whos ming? [20:32] Artur Dryomov uses the name Ming on the wiki [20:32] oh, didnt notice [20:33] so you'll update the wiki and send the email? [20:35] update the wiki with my ideas? [20:36] on the connection workflow, at least [20:37] what you gathered from today and any other ideas you might have [20:39] ok. will do [20:39] thanks [20:40] other topics to cover? [20:40] not at this point & not without issa, i think [20:40] (i had some comments on the sifr theme) [20:41] ok [20:41] do you want to post the log? [20:41] finish for today [20:43] yup [20:44] i dont mind. i can post it [20:44] well, then bye for today [20:45] ok, thanks [20:45] bye [20:46] <@Enervation_> bye [20:46] bye