QA/Meetings/2013/June 14

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= Agenda + Minutes =

 Minutes:

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Start
 Notes:
 * Meeting started at: 13:05
 * Participants: Joel, Robinson, Florian R., Ken, Thomas, Bjoern
 * Bjoern joined later

Opening Discussion


PENDING ITEM: BugReport Page [was Proposals regarding our workflow]

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will ask devs/users about moving BugReport page under QA (and perhaps refactoring)


 * Joel emailed dev list, hasn't heard anything. Going to wait another few days and then pull the trigger.
 * ACTION: Joel will move the BugReport page

PENDING ITEM: NEEDINFO Stagnant Bugs

 * ACTION: 2 weeks from now Joel will provide a staff update; 4 weeks from now, will close the bugs as invalid


 * First part done, but Joel needs to close the next set of bugs.
 * 25-35% of those bugs have had changes; the rest are probably going to be invalid.
 * Unfortunately on some of those there have been changes made, but nobody updated the status (even though we asked them to do so)

PENDING ITEM: Get French BSA Operational

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will do a test of the French BSA and see what is left to do (with Floeff)
 * There was some activity on the QA List re: the French BSA this past week.


 * Joel has been talking with Floeff/Sophie/Rob
 * Email is being hung up somewhere, but we did have successful emails to the QA and FR-QA lists
 * Rob is at the weekend hackfest and intends on working on this/fixing it, so we're all going to cross our fingers and hope this works!
 * Looking promising
 * ACTION: Joel will email Rob for an update

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

 * ACTION: Joel will get Mas the information about the Extension bugs problem


 * Still nothing yet
 * Bjoern knows more about this
 * Joel will send Mas an email today (Joel hasn't seen Mas around lately)
 * ACTION: Joel will talk to Bjoern about this problem

PENDING ITEM: QA Website

 * ACTION: Joren will create macOS-specific pages
 * ACTION: Joel will create Linux-specific pages


 * No progress since our last call
 * Joel needs some feedback on the main page
 * Would like people to review the homepage before it goes live

PENDING ITEM: Should we activate voting on FDO?

 * ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates


 * Bjoern hasn't heard anything from Tollef
 * ACTION: Bjoern will try to ping Tollef in the next week or so, after Hackfest is over

PENDING ITEM: Add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail

 * ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates


 * ACTION: Joel will email Tollef
 * Tollef said this was a minor change, but it hasn't happened yet
 * This is a bit more of a minor issue now, as we remind users

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

 * ACTION: Joel will update the whiteboard/keywords page


 * Joel worked on it yesterday
 * Needs to figure out what to keep/what to drop
 * There's a new UX whiteboard status, but we might change that to a component
 * Meeks is pushing to make it a component so that we can cc the Design mailing list
 * Joel likes a whiteboard status so that ordinary users can triage using it
 * Astron doesn't want a ping for every single bug that a user creates (e.g. every request for us to add a 'Ribbon' interface, new UI, etc..)
 * Florian R -- Perhaps we should change the name to 'UX Internal Request' or similar

=== PENDING ITEM: Use an online collaborative editor for minutes so that they can be viewed as the call progresses ===
 * ACTION: Robinson + Jonathan Aqualina will get install instructions for Etherpad to Floeff so that it can then be installed


 * Testing with Jonathan
 * Hope to have this wrapped up in the next couple of weeks

PENDING ITEM: What to do with releases after EOL

 * ACTION: Joel will bring up this topic to the ESC
 * ACTION: Robinson will remove a lot of versions from the BSA (for EOL'd versions, collapse to just major versions (X.x)
 * June 12 - Changes on GitHub, pending review by Joel and then merging by Rob


 * Joel brought up the topic
 * Meeks said "Do what makes sense"
 * Robinson - All 3.3.x and 3.4.x versions (except 3.3.0 release and 3.4.0 release) have been blacklisted for the BSA, and are pending merging
 * Joel - We've thought about creating new versions such as "3.3 - All bugs"
 * Joel - Ubuntu is still on 3.5.4 (6+ months after EOL) -- is there going to be any update there?
 * Bjoern: no, as there's a rule about no regressions there. However dealing with an EOL'd version isn't TDF/LibreOffice's problem, it's something for the distro to address.
 * RedHat is still on 3.4 (!!), so this is a common issue
 * Joel - 94 versions in FDO was kind of lengthy for a new user trying to report a bug
 * Joel - Next steps: We'll try to move forward de-listing RC's and betas for 3.5
 * Thomas - 3.3.x might be best release for users
 * Florian R. - E.g. Base has several regressions after that release
 * ACTION: Joel will hide one release in FDO today
 * If it's really simple to do, then Joel will consider doing this in parallel, otherwise we will work on FDO after the BSA

PENDING ITEM: Locally-hosted Bugzilla

 * ACTION: Robinson - Keep this on our agenda so we keep track of things


 * No updates

PENDING ITEM: Clarify 'version' in Bugzilla

 * ACTION: Keep track of where Tollef is with this enhancement
 * ACTION: Keep the idea of a Version/Repro Table on our radar until the Version label is changed or we have another solution.


 * No updates

PENDING ITEM: IRC IZBot

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will investigate why our IRC bot isn't linking to FDO properly anymore


 * Cloph was able to figure out what went wrong (Thanks!)

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

 * ACTION: Bjoern/Robinson will investigate the possibility of being able to update the bibisect repository via git

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 * Robinson and Bjoern have both been busy, no updates for now

PENDING ITEM: Clarify Bibisect + Version #

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will ask whoever is updating the bibisect wiki page to note the correct info
 * ACTION: Joel will add a note to the Ideas wiki page that our goal is to eventually have everyone use the bibisect repository

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 * Joel asked someone to update the wiki, but don't think it's been done yet
 * At this point we can remove everything but bibisect40 and the daily bibisect
 * Page needs some rework
 * ACTION: Joel will work with Terrence Enger to clean/update this page

PENDING ITEM: Test New Python Wizards

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will email the QA Team and the mailing list and make sure that everyone knows about this

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 * Joel emailed the QA/Dev Teams and the User List
 * Pedro did some tests and reported a few bugs
 * There's one particular wizard that isn't currently working properly

New Action Items
All items proposed between meetings go here

New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)
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NEW ITEM: Bug Triage Contest (Joel)
Does anyone have suggestions on getting more interaction from our User base?
 * Joel has been publishing information and inviting people
 * Hasn't been getting good responses
 * Florian R. -- Have we had any blog posts?
 * In particular on the TDF Blog
 * Bjoern - People may be watching the wiki page for the Contest, but be shy about adding their own name
 * Joel - If we have more general LibreOffice chat in the IRC channel this might make it more welcoming (less technical discussion)
 * Bjoern - The day we start we should drop some text announcing that we're getting started (etc.., etc..). It's important to appear professional, but not intimidating
 * Joel -- Perhaps add a banner to the front page announcing the start of the contest?
 * Florian R. -- He's busy with school so it might be hard for him to join the contest
 * Joel - He'll try to be around as much as possible the 1st week (he'll be a bit busy in the 2nd week), so we'll need to pick up the slack
 * ACTION: Joel will add Ken to the list of people joining the contest
 * Localization: Joel has sent an email to Sophie to ping the French QA community;

NEW ITEM: Netbooks (Bjoern)

 * Those people who are receiving them need to give Bjoern your address so they can be drop-shipped there
 * Joel -- The three people will be [ Joel, Florian R., Joren]
 * Florian R. -- Is there a way to get a bigger screen?

NEW ITEM: SI-GUI Stats (Florian R.)

 * Florian R. -- If you know people who are using it, please let him know
 * He's looking for more stats (esp. from people who have disabled tracking)
 * Only gotten feedback from Pedro so far

Announcements

 * ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... June 28th (Friday) at 13:00 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

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End
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 * Meeting adjourned at: 13:56

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