Design/Meetings/2022-03-02

Link
https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2022/msg00027.html

Minutes
Present: Hossein, Bogdan, Ruediger, Heiko Comments: Regina, Mike, Cor, Stuart, Harald, Seth

Tickets/Topics

* Paragraph format: Inconsistent display in space between paragraphs for area fill + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108600 + margin is (per definition) _always_ transparent (Regina) + if the attributes of one paragraph continue on the next the margin will be filled + perhaps add a property similar to the new "BackgroundFullSize" (Mike) + changing the behavior could break the layout for existing documents + to continue attributes the border can be used instead of spacing (Heiko) => recommend to streamline and always use transparent (perhaps with     an expert or compatibility option for legacy documents)

* Allow cross-references to bookmarks to show the line number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146905 + unclear use case, references to numbered paragraphs seems enough + never heard about references to line numbers in other office programs (Hossein) + the request is to _show_ the line number (Ruediger) + use case is apparently to have a link to a particular line + or technical documents like source code where a particular line is    to be referenced (Bogdan) + but source code would be numbered code lines, which is paragraphs (Heiko) + lines are not numbered (the annotation is some decoration) and referencing is difficult; unclear whether line within a page or the document + still, the recommended workflow is to use numbered paragraphs (and keep those short) (Heiko) + (auto) bookmarks per macro might help (Hossein) => WF

* CROSS-REFERENCE: Give warning, if you delete a target of a cross-reference + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141747 + Internet recommends to search for "Reference source not found" + update not reliable though + only acceptable workflow is to immediately show an infobar (or    and other non-interrupting) message and hide it once the reference is back (eg. after cut/paste) + this might be a performance issue + if reference and source are far away from each other the information might not be helpful; you pbl. have to clean up the broken reference somewhere else- and jumping around in the document is unwanted (Ruediger) + heavy editing potentially produces a large number of warnings + problem when user not hides the info, or when it comes up too often + double-check whether competitors do show such a warning (Hossein, Bogdan) => decide later

* Search and Replace + Regression tdf#117173 caused with this commit DIALOG: Improvements to the Find & Replace dialog. https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/beeef9 + The good: It has provided improvements to the "Find and Replace" dialog. + The bad: It created a regression in accessibility + Number of found/replaced items no longer announced by      screen reader: NVDA, etc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117173 + Possible solutions: 1) Exposing this text to the screen readers    2) Going back to the popup + Popup is useful for announcing important information + It is understood by the screen readers + It is used in MS Word, from Office 97 to Office 2019 + Gerrit submission: tdf#117173 Add popup for # of items found/replaced https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/129649 => discussed, go ahead!

* UI Indicate change tracked formatting changes in readable format + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143922 + what additional info needs to be shown + in case of formatting changes the actual attributes should be shown in the comment likewise done for deletions => do it

* “Create Style” Dialogue Does not Work Correctly if Opened via Menu or Toolbar: (often/always) shows other styles than the 'own styles', sometimes inactive when it shouldn't .. + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126352 + function started from sidebar/stylist creates PS, CS or LS depending on what tab is open and if the selection is a list; + the dialog lists user-defined PS/LS + running from the main menu creates always PS  + has been improved by renaming to "New Style From Selection" (Cor) + odd behavior in some workflows (Stuart) + allow users to chose the stylefamily (Harald) + same problem, working only on PS, for new/update/edit, see bug 107120 (Seth) => no further input, just summarize