Design/Meetings/2015-12-18

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2015-12-18-tc4169748.html

Minutes
2015-12-18 10:04, Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-18


 * Present: Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Michel, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž


 * UI changes integrated the last week:

+ Enabled double click in input list field dialog (Oliver) + Converted MN_TAB_POPUPMENU to xml (Maxim) + Table context menu improvements (Maxim) + Clarified advanced options (unstable vs. limited) (Joel) + Convert some Calc context menus to xml (Maxim) + Filter options dialog controls expandable (Oliver) + Convert RID_POPUP_TAB to xml (Maxim)

+ Incremental UI changes only?

+ Joel suggest to not change the whole UI but have small steps + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91820#c25

+ mostly about the menu and toolbar reorg (Kendy) + Makes not much sense in this case since there is no half-conceptual menu organization (Heiko)

+ the hope is that the largest changes are now done (Kendy) + and we are back to incremental changes (Kendy) + should there be more changes, they'll be incremental again (Kendy) + pretty large change overall (Stuart) + there was support from the Design team (Stuart) + the change was needed, and long overdue (Stuart) + yes (Kendy) + now back to more easily manageable (Stuart) + there was a concept behind the changes (Heiko) + we are affecting people's workflows... (Heiko) + would be good to have 'something' that introduces the new features (Heiko)

+ when doing changes, we should prefer larger (but complete) change (Tomaž) + so that people don't have to re-learn all the time (Kendy) + agree (Cor) + better bundle the changes (per module) as much as reasonable doable

+ for NotebookBar, we'll need a switch between the old and new (Heiko) + that's easy - different concept, so a simple switch is possible (Kendy)

+ Save button behavior (Samuel)

+ Samuel talked to Maxim, Maxim agreed (Samuel) + only needs the new icon (Samuel)

+ what to do in 5.1 - revert? (Samuel) + let's wait a bit if Maxim can provide the proposed solution ~soon (Kendy) + and cherry-pick (Kendy) + late feature - will need 3 cross-company approvals (Kendy) + if not in time for RC2 (January 11), let's revert in 5.1 (Kendy)

+ Mail merge toolbar (Kendy)

+ implementation ongoing (Kendy) + have the basic toolbar now, working on moving the functionality to there from the wizard (Kendy)


 * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay)

+ Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet


 * Table styles blog post (Heiko)

+ published, some comments came in (Heiko) + nothing controversial, good (Heiko)

+ missing use case for the table style (Michel) + scenario / use case - for the persona (Heiko) + it is there, but not in a structured / strict way (Heiko) + scrum way: have there 'who' and 'why', in one sentence (Heiko) + so one can imagine that better + fine with that, if it is short (Kendy) + want to focus on the resulting work, not paperwork around :-) (Kendy)


 * Mockups with Draw? (Michel/Heiko)

+ drafted a blog-post how it could work (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MrSd7nwm3PJfKg_DQ79Sbc4jlqWeX280U_yF81pvQiQ/edit?ts=5672a18b + and what's missing in Draw (Heiko)

+ should we blog it, or keep internal only so far? (Heiko)

+ reinventing existing stuff a bit (Stuart) + if somebody wants to do the work, go for that of course (Stuart) + but people are happy with the tools + agree with Stuart (Cor) + blog post focusing on strengths of Draw would be good (Cor) + but not as a tool to create workflows (Cor)

+ some features are missing, some need adjustments (Heiko) + and could be useful in Draw (Heiko) + but should not be a replacement for people's tools (Heiko)

+ wanted to propose only a small step (Michel)

+ people should be using tools that fit them, no forcing of this or that (Kendy) + we can do recommendations, but that's only it :-) (Kendy)

+ important to manage expectations (Cor)

+ shapes tab in the sidebar - that could get us closer (Jay) + down to stencils / objects + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sv3Q-XdnHElYGXX2m8OLbRAy1zyodcU231Gn2SkVRV0/edit?usp=sharing

+ have a feeling of feature creep (Kendy) + let's stay what we are - a general purpose drawing program, not specialized on UI design (Kendy)


 * Draw problems (Stuart)

+ not that good in vector drawing - freehand/Illustrator/Krita (Stuart) + problem with beziers (as in hand lettering/cursive lettering) + svg's should be handled correctly + please file bugs :-) (Kendy)

+ Draw does not have too exactly defined use (Tomaž) + "does many things, but some of them not too well" (Stuart)

+ might be interesting to have a survey about what the users actually use Draw for (Tomaž)


 * Bug discussions

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&list_id=527515&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- + discussed, and acted on: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67860 + Windows high contrast - http://www.picpaste.com/high_contrast-Q8rI1tg0.PNG (sidebar icons missing) + different bug, please file a separate bugreport (Kendy) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86341