QA/Meetings/2013/June 28

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= Agenda + Minutes =

 Minutes:

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Start

 * Meeting started at: 13:07
 * Participants: Robinson, Joel, Ken, Florian R.

Notes:
 * Petr is on vacation

Opening Discussion


PENDING ITEM: BugReport Page

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will move the BugReport page


 * Joel has moved it
 * Joel asks: Why are so many of the languages untranslated?
 * Many of the translations are out of date. French is up to date, but others probably need help.
 * ACTION: Joel will contact locale(s), including PT-BR

PENDING ITEM: NEEDINFO Stagnant Bugs

 * ACTION: 2 weeks from now Joel will provide a staff update; 4 weeks from now, will close the bugs as invalid


 * Joel says: Closing today (as INVALID), stats: 75% still in NEEDINFO, 8% CONFIRMED (NEW), 13% RESOLVED, 4% UNCONFIRMED -- all rounded
 * Joel will start the next set soon

PENDING ITEM: Get French BSA Operational

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will email Rob for an update
 * June 16 - Email update from Rob "Florian and I where able to fix the problems with the mailing in the BSA. So the French BSA can be tested now..."


 * Fully operational now
 * Sophie and JB-Faure taking lead on FR documentation now

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

 * ACTION: Joel will talk to Bjoern about this problem


 * Still no word
 * If no word in a month, will tag as NEEDADVICE so that the devs will take a look at it

PENDING ITEM: QA Website

 * ACTION: Joren will create macOS-specific pages
 * ACTION: Joel will create Linux-specific pages


 * OS-specific pages not yet done, but we can make at least the front and bio pages live

PENDING ITEM: Should we activate voting on FDO?

 * ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates
 * [DONE] ACTION: Bjoern will try to ping Tollef in the next week or so, after Hackfest is over


 * Bjoern has contacted Tollef
 * Bjoern asked how difficult (how much of a cost/time) for us to have our own Bugzilla

PENDING ITEM: Add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail

 * ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates
 * ACTION: Joel will email Tollef


 * MERGE with previous Tollef ITEM

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

 * ACTION: Joel will update the whiteboard/keywords page


 * Still working on it

=== PENDING ITEM: Use an online collaborative editor for minutes so that they can be viewed as the call progresses ===
 * ACTION: Robinson + Jonathan Aqualina will get install instructions for Etherpad to Floeff so that it can then be installed


 * No updates

PENDING ITEM: What to do with releases after EOL
NOTES: very simple - can still search for bugs but cannot change version to the version that is hidden nor report bugs against version. Tested with 3.3.0.Beta2 (right now this is hidden on FDO)
 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will bring up this topic to the ESC
 * [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will remove a lot of versions from the BSA (for EOL'd versions, collapse to just major versions (X.x)
 * June 16 - Robinson's patched merged-in and BSA updated.
 * Next step: Work with Joel to see we can remove all non-release version #'s corresponding to EOL'd builds (e.g. 3.5 now, and 3.6. in August)
 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will hide one release in FDO today
 * If it's really simple to do, then Joel will consider doing this in parallel, otherwise we will work on FDO after the BSA


 * ESC told Joel: Go for it
 * Collapsed 3.3 and 3.4 to single versions in BSA
 * De-listed all alpha/beta/RC's for released versions
 * Joel is testing "hiding" some of the old versions in FDO directly; nobody has complained yet :-)
 * ACTION: Joel will create new version in FDO "inherited from OOo" for bugs that predate our fork
 * We'll continue conversation in email

PENDING ITEM: Locally-hosted Bugzilla

 * ACTION: Robinson - Keep this on our agenda so we keep track of things


 * No updates

PENDING ITEM: Clarify 'version' in Bugzilla

 * ACTION: Keep track of where Tollef is with this enhancement
 * ACTION: Keep the idea of a Version/Repro Table on our radar until the Version label is changed or we have another solution.


 * Waiting on Tollef

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

 * ACTION: Bjoern/Robinson will investigate the possibility of being able to update the bibisect repository via git


 * No update

PENDING ITEM: Clarify Bibisect + Version #

 * ACTION: Joel will add a note to the Ideas wiki page that our goal is to eventually have everyone use the bibisect repository
 * ACTION: Joel will work with Terrence Enger to clean/update this page

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 * Joel will try to do it in the next 2 weeks (and check w/Terrence)

PENDING ITEM: Bug Triage Contest

 * ACTION: Joel will add Ken to the list of people joining the contest

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 * It's been successful
 * Joel has been trying to figure out how to count who's in the lead (he might need to go count by hand)
 * Developers have been helping us out with some tricky bugs (including ones that have needed input from OASIS, etc..)
 * Weekly Bug Summary: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
 * Florian R. - Want to do comparison [http]wp.me/p2dpdc-bb
 * Also: Help Promote Florian's Link

New Action Items
All items proposed between meetings go here

NEW ITEM: Collapse versions on BSA 6 months after last release (Robinson, Joel)

 * We've been streamlining the versions listed in the BSA and would like to come up with some basic guidelines
 * 6 months after shipping the last version of a Release, we'd like to collapse the versions down to 'X.x all versions'.
 * This gives users plenty of time to transition to a modern, supported version of LibreOffice
 * Some corporate users/distros continue to use EOL versions for quite some time, but for end-users we think it's best to have a short list of versions
 * The short list will more clearly designate which versions are no longer supported by us

We could list this date on the ReleasePlan page:

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 * Joel - We should go ahead and add this to the wiki
 * ACTION: Robinson will add this to the ReleasePlan page

New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)
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NEW ITEM: UX-Advice should be lowercase ("ux-advice") (Florian R.)

 * Florian R. - Because the "ux-advice" component is for internal use only, it should be in lowercase.
 * ACTION: Joel will update the text in FDO
 * ACTION: Robinson will update the BSA and the wiki
 * NOTE: Hopefully we can change case with a simple page-move on the wiki (and don't have to do a 2-step move or etc..)

Announcements

 * ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... July 26th (Friday) at 13:00 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

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 * Joel notes that he and Florian R. will be unavailable for the next meeting
 * Robinson - Perhaps a break would be good for everyone :-)
 * We're planning to skip the next scheduled meeting (July 12) and meet again on July 26.

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 * Meeting adjourned at: 13:53

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