Design/Meetings/2014-11-26

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2014-11-26-td4131121.html

Minutes
Dec 01, 2014; 11:22 AM Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-11-26

+ Kendy: Sidebar - hide the decks, but keep the sidebar (only the      icons) there. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85935 + added to release notes + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for images.zip layering (if it does not      exist yet) + Did it myself in the end, it was not that easy Easy Hack + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for downloading additional themes? + Not really suitable for an Easy Hack either :-(        + but this could help (in the long run):           http://jriddell.org/2014/11/23/junior-job-breeze-icon-theme-for-libreoffice/     + Jay: Close bug 86302 as wontfix      + Jay: Move the Impress & Calc 'Header and Footer' entries to        Insert menu to be consistent     + Kendy: GSoC task (or so) for converting "Manage Changes..." to       sidebar (instead of non-modal dialog)       https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/13085/ - proof of concept,       thanks to the hackfest :-) + Kendy: Adjust alignment and spacing in line spacing drop down https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83076#c11 + Samuel: Add Close menu entry in the sidebar's menu that acts like View -> Sidebar toggle https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85937 + Kendy: Do / find someone / easy-hack-ize automatic opening of the Track changes toolbar when there are tracking changes + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Check how hard it is to make sidebar honor the icon size setting + Kendy: Easy Hack-ize fixing of uno commands that need to be      duplicated in Draw and Impress + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84258#c2 + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/GenialIdeas [styles previews in the sidebar etc.] + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Hide the decks but keep the sidebar (only the icons) there (Kendy) + opens in Calc in master, but not in 4.4 + should be done for 4.4 too, as some icons were removed from the toolbar that are in sidebar only AI         + enable Calc too + Image themes layering - the themes do not need to contain all the icons any more (Kendy) + saves installation image size + could be folded to Tango + Icons are being added but slowly due to long waitings on gerrit (Jay) AI     + push access for Jay (Kendy) + Shrinking the size of the context menu in Impress (Jay, Cor) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86614 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=109889 + we have just to many of them (Jay) + does not even fit the screen - 24 entries! + some are duplicated in the toolbar (Jay) + smaller context menu preferred (Jay) + we can do submenus, etc. + do we have some indications of that in the 2009 data? (Kendy) + will check (Jay) + some of that in the sidebar too (Jay) + unfortunately we do not have separate stats for images and objects (Jay) + caution needed - we are still introducing the sidebar, need to          make the users comfortable (Stuart) + challenge here - not to make users angry :-) (Stuart)            + better to make functionality easier than document wrong               behavior (Heiko)                 + would be good to have a guideline (Heiko)                 + so far used: if it is in the toolbar, then don't put                   it to Context menu (Jay)                 + not that easy unfortunately - for some of the                   operations, the users should not move the mouse (Heiko)                 + but toolbar should not contain all the functionality -                   only menu is for everything (Heiko)             + happy with the Jay's approach (Heiko)             + yes, would be a good thing to have guideline, agree with               Heiko (Jay)                 + will start putting together points (Cor, Heiko, Jay)                 + please do not do it heavy-weight (Kendy)                     + do not want to see it used as a weapon ;-) (Kendy) + create a guideline that always allows you to go                      ahead :D (Cor) + Heiko did these for KDE: + https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/ContextMenu + conclusion: Go ahead with the changes, but carefully + check the stats from the 2009, consult the heavy Impress users + Moving 'Table Boundaries' to the View menu (Jay, Cor) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86647 + hard to measure this :-) (Kendy)        + the View menu contains other settings like these, looks           logical to move this one there too (Kendy)         + agree that it is similar as the View items (Cor)             + but we have a specific menu for Table (Cor)         + new users: when they see it in Table menu, they consider that           as a property of tables (Jay)             + when you click it, by default it looks like doing nothing               (because you have the borders for tables normally) (Jay)             + in View, it is clearer that it affects just the view, not               the table content (Jay)         + would the menu a bit more balanced (Kendy)         + let's do the change in master, and if we see complains, let's           revert (Kendy)             + I would not change unless there is a clear need, enough               changes and to document and explain..(Cor) + concerned, but acceptable (Cor) edit (Stuart)
 * Present: Alex, Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Stuart
 * Completed Action Items:
 * Pending Action Items:
 * UI changes integrated the last week:
 * Last week's discussions that need a resolution:
 * UX-advise fdo#80670, Left arrow moves to previous cell when trying to

+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80670 + think it should be closed as wontfix, as most apps do the same thing (Jay) + +1 (Cor) + agreed (Kendy) + function that we always had, not justified for change (Stuart) + what is exactly the reason? (Heiko) + people typing in lots and lots of data, power users (Kendy) AI + conclusion: close as wontfix (Stuart)

+ http://user-prompt.com/results-of-survey-about-libreoffice-calcs-toolbar-configuration/ + question in the comments: why the formula (tool)bar is not moveable? + it was never converted from a hard-coded toolbar to a floating one (Kendy) + no real reason to change - it can be hidden and has different functionality (Cor) + but we won't block a code contribution to change it to a         'normal' toolbar (Kendy) + reply on blog post written + Conflicts in master + caused by running optipng on the icons (Kendy) + just push your versions + Sifr script to generate the icons automatically (Kendy) + sent the info to Alex + worked + best to have it in the GitHub icon repo (Alex) + done (Alex) + Experiment: full SVG icon theme (Kendy) + did not work that well + converting through Inkscape is still the way to go (Kendy) + Hi-contrast Sifr? (Jay) AI     + code for that is not done yet - do an Easy Hack (Kendy) + New lc conditional formatting icons + https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12598822/conditional-formatting.png + Need to choose the most fitting ones + Should the future drop down use scor lc icons? + probably sc -> no need for a .ui file + Gnome 2.20 style 'a' icons & Gnome 3 style text line icons AI     + didn't get around to do it (Alex) + strike-through still need an update (Jay) + re-exporting with the shadow [half of what is in Gnome] (Jay) + Breeze + https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=123517 + Wiki with list of icons to design (Riddell) https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/LibreOffice_Breeze + Consider sidebar icons as well (prosmaninho) + interesting bug - when the Breeze icon is disabled, it is          barely visible (Jay) + Numix designed symbolic icons (Jay) + spoke with the lead designer and he (and possibly his team) would possibly be interested in do it    + Dark themes (Heiko) + Several issues with dark themes https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86472 + providing a default theme with icon sets, primarily symbolic ones (Jay) AI     + find where these icons are defined, and tell Jay (Kendy) + Simple toolbar inspired by Google Docs http://i.imgur.com/Hfn5bw1.png + ah, the idea to provide simple sub-sets of features in toolbar and menubar (Cor) + +1 +1 +1 :) PROVIDED there is a simple on/off for that           presentation, and not default (Cor)             + heard that idea before (Cor)     + a question of vision (Heiko)         + is LibreOffice more a tool for experts who want everything, or           new users with limited needs (Heiko)     + for lots of people, less is more (Jay)         + usecase: writer that wants just to type text (Jay)         + we have the standard design, but can provide the functionality           for others too (Jay)     + marketing point of view: possible to tweak your UI (Cor)         + to do a 'competition', and put that into one of more           extensions? (sort of easy) (Cor)     + don't really want to compete with Google's approach (Heiko)         + LibreOffice is a powerful package; we should define our           position (Heiko)     + not dumb down the LibreOffice overall, just possibility to have that (Cor) + would love to have a simplified tool for toolbar editing (Heiko) + it is important how you present that (Cor, Heiko) + overall an interesting idea, easy to implement from the technical point of view (Kendy) + let's think through that a bit until the next meeting + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85978 + no idea (Kendy) + Proposal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HlcEpH_87y5rRtXt7c-ukWo9Tw64gtcNDSO8dguMhPs + issue with translation to Chinese :-) (Heiko)   + will start the survey on Friday (Heiko, Jay)        + please look & comment if you want to make changes     + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86678    + remove lines under letters (Kendy)     + "The design devs did the most work ever for the 4.4 release       because some blockades were finally broken down and they have       a new communication tool where to organize their work."       http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/11/libreoffice-4-3-4-arrives-bundle-bug-fixes#comment-1699288845    + great work, guys, thank you! :-) (Kendy)
 * Calc survey results published (Heiko, Jay)
 * Icon Updates / Issues
 * Single toolbar mode (Jay)
 * Global shortcuts not appearing in menus (Jay)
 * Impress survey (Jay, Heiko)
 * Underlined letters in drop downs not working (Jay)
 * Praises coming in for the design team (Jay)