Design/Meetings/2015-02-18

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2015-02-18-tc4142983.html

Minutes
Mar 12, 2015; 3:36am Jan Holesovsky Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-02-18
 * Present: Cor (bit later), Jay (bit later), Heiko, Ibrahim, Kendy, Mattias
 * Completed Action Items:

+ Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001 + Stuart: Change the default to single page + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to "Multipage view" or "Multiple page view" - would be great to get that to gerrit AI: Stuart -- figure it out and get it posted. + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648 + Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
 * Pending Action Items:
 * Easy Hacks to be filed:

+ Kendy: The Window's closing button should indeed close the window, not dock the sidebar https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87217 + Kendy: Do / find someone / easy-hack-ize automatic opening of the Track changes toolbar when there are tracked changes + Kendy: Check how hard it is to make sidebar honor the icon size setting + Kendy: Easy Hack-ize fixing of uno commands that need to be duplicated in Draw and Impress + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84258#c2 + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for the Hi-contrast Sifr + Kendy: Adding 1.15 to the drop down list - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85949 + Kendy: Research what is needed to do to only disable (not hide) the formula bar in Calc when Chart component is activated + Kendy: Tell Jay how to fiddle with the default position of toolbars (so that he can tweak the Chart's toolbars) + Kendy: Only activate image toolbar when an image is selected - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87362 + Adolfo: Create easy hacks for the options Design decided to drop since 2012: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Options/Global + Kendy: Should border around an image have no padding by default https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360
 * GSoC tasks to be filed:

+ Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/GenialIdeas [styles previews in the sidebar etc.] + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available) + Kendy: On-demand / programmatic colorization of the Sifr icons + Kendy: Change tracking UI in the document + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UuZUJYOLPM3_LdW77OSAaUBpDhRg3iHSjo31DTUEEzk + lots of great discussions how to finalize the sidebar's look (all) + looks beautiful :-)   + comment button (Jay)        + for standard comments - track changes comments are in the ODF focuments only (Jay)        + does it affect the sidebar design?    + icons for changes (Jay / Heiko)        + concerned about using icons (Jay)        + would a tooltip be a solution? (Kendy)        + many actions - insert / delete / ... (Jay)            + hopefully could be simple enough (Jay)            + but a tooltip would be really good (Jay)        + not necessary to set the icons in stone - possible to change to text if          the icons do not work (Kendy)    + Residual issues with BZ migration? Heiko not receiving digest subscription of ux-advise      issues, while those taking all UX-advise seeing issues. (Stuart)        + bugzilla was not sending the mails; fixed now (Stuart)        -> is fixed (Heiko)    + recurring topic to be used for UX advise bugs that need action + keeps piling up, unfortunately (Stuart) + everyone should feel empowered to look at that + act (Stuart) + but don't want to be a "gatekeeper" :-) (Stuart)   + for the moment, Stuart will pick 5 for each meeting - the most burning ones (Kendy)        + and let's see how it develops (Kendy)
 * Change tracking sidebar proposal (Heiko)
 * Last week's discussions that need a resolution:
 * UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart)
 * Approach to drawing toolbar / sidebar - how to handle the shapes & their color etc.

+ Disable object, image, and character toolbars in Impress (Jay, Cor) To simply the interface by having just one toolbar above and below https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87676 + we would lose the possibility to change the style first, and then draw (Kendy) + it is different to how it works in Writer - there you have no other option than to draw first, and then tweak the color (Jay) + current way is similar to eg. Inkscape (Mattias) + if we used the sidebar more, it would allow more space for the slide (Jay) + but interaction should be improved there, indeed (Mattias) + what about to restructure this a bit more? (Kendy) + proposed a sidebar for colors etc. together with shapes to draw (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87643 wps draw sidebar - https://vm150.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=111225

+ Related issues of tdf 88931 - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88931 rather than hiding specific toolbars, provide ability to toggle all toolbars on/off + but what is the usability of a toolbarless draw or impress? (Jay) + if we were do it, provide for all modules -- like toggle full screen, users figure it out + Hiding the line and filling toolbar + Tutorial vids not mentioning its use to change the color before adding it        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJztZr7Ovg&list=PLi4GzliI0ClAdSZ1i02r-QiTCyb2Wa4ie&index=12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yxgITpnS08&t=1m0s (uses styles) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMaQdtjhxQM&t=20m34s (user even goes into the dialog to change color) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMlP0yEnyugFogqcxPHzTZXI8p2YO8sO2 (tutorial series not mentioning shapes) + Application behaviour have to set shape style after insert - Powerpoint 2010, WPS Presenation, Calligra Stage, iWork Keynote can set the shape style before insert - Presentations x7 (they have the settings in the shapes toolbar) presentation x7 - http://i.imgur.com/XrGBbMt.png + The "New Styles from Selection" in the Sidebar Styles and Formatting content panel allows efficient creation of new styles from objects that have been directly formatting. --> Needs to be more prominent (e.g. context menu) (Heiko) + Streamline the UI, have a single place for settings. (Jay) Hide Object (Line and filing), Image and Character toolbars -- giving a more consistenet UI, too many choices now. Use the standard toolbar for a few things, the drawing toolbar for a few--and hide the Line and Filing toolbar. would be better to have all direct formatting now available in the sidebar. Object creation would be from Standard toolbar or a revamped Drawing toolbar. + Alignment, arrangement, distribution, etc. - already on the context menu, so no loss. (Jay) + Possibly put alignment, arrangement, etc. into the Drawings toolbar (Jay) + Multiple selected objects receive arangement, alignment (access via context menu only: Jay, access context menu plus toolbar: Heiko) + when we have the same behavior for all, fine with the change (Cor) + conclusion: go ahead with the change, and let's try how it behaves + should be down to changing eg. officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI/ImpressWindowState.xcu with Visible true to false