Design/Meetings/2021-02-03

Link
https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2021/msg00013.html

Minutes
Present: Heiko Comments: Sascha, Mike, Regina, John, Seth, Telesto, Dieter, Eike

Tickets/Topic

* UI: Footnotes and endnote settings has no reset button + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139712 + seems to be a global option and effective across sessions + could enhance workflow, but + first Bug 128469 (terminology of Reset/Standard) has to be solved for naming convention (Sascha) + don't see the benefit, Reset becomes "Set to Parent" and works only with hierarchically organized data; F&E is kind of global option and would fit tools > options > writer + if we add Reset it will behave as reset to factory settings and rather add confusion than making dialogs more consistent => comment

* UI Footnote/endnote settings dialog caption + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139713 + dialog has other label then menu entry, slash bad practice for titles (Sascha) + suggest naming dialog and menu entry to "Foot- and Endnotes..." (Sascha) + yes to "Footnotes and Endnotes Settings" but no to properties since this dialog works similar to tools > options (Heiko) => comment

* "Links to External Files" is not precise + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139735 + "External Links..." or "Links to External Data..." (Mike) + "External Links" bad naming, links itself aren't external (Sascha) + suggest "Externally Linked..." or "Linked Data and Files..." (Sascha) + +1 to "Links to External Data..." (too much  + Calc: .uno:InsertExternalDataSource "Link to E~xternal Data..." + Draw/Impress: .uno:ManageLinks "Lin~ks to External Files..."   + Writer: .uno:LinkDialog "Lin~ks to External Files..."     + cui/uiconfig/ui/baselinksdialog.ui is titled "Edit Links"   + streams are rather a corner case for Writer and DrawImpress   + if "data" is read similar to "file" we should harmonize acc. Calc

+ documentation under https://help.libreoffice.org/7.0/en-US/text/shared/01/02180000.html is outdated

=> comment

* Paragraph/Character Style Dialog: "Reset" and "Standard" buttons have confusing labels + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128469 + suggest "Reset Tab" and "Reset to Parent" but probably to long labels (Sascha) + Reset -> Revert, Unapply, Undo, Clear, Undo Unsaved Changes, Undo Tab + keep Reset since it's used in different context + Standard -> Reset, Default, Parent, Original, Inherited, Reset Tab to Parent, Reset Tab, Re/Set to Parent + "Reset" for "Standard" adds confusion (Regina) + remove Reset + works nicely with Apply (John) + both apply to the current tab only (Apply works on all tabs) + ideally we have a true "Reset" button, which works as Undo for Apply, and a "Standard" that reverts everything to the default (pretty difficult for    hierarchical content) => simplicity first, short terms, long and informative tooltips

* The behavior of the border picker is sometimes off + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139838 + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139094 + keep makes no sense in many cases, e.g. edit single cell, column, row + consistent behavior would be: init off>on>off; init partial>on all>off all (Sascha) + bike-shedding to me, don't see the benefit of keep either but there is    likely one (Heiko) => comment

* UI - Find in Calc fails when a formula refers to a cell in  another sheet's pivot table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134724 + expect quick find to search content instead of display values (Eike) + default search should be values (for Benjamin), option for formulas given (for Eve) (Sascha) + maybe rename "Values" into "Values and Results" (Sascha) + simply find both, Values/Results, Content and Notes (Heiko) + otherwise I vote for an option => comment