Design/Meetings/2015-12-04

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2015-12-04-tc4169719.html

Minutes
Dec 18, 2015; 6:15am, Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-04


 * Present: Heiko, Kendy, Michel, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž
 * UI changes integrated the last week:

+ Controller to show toolbar content as menu (Maxim) + Edit points toolbar (Jay) + Save Remote only when available (Maxim) + Transition icons for Impress (Andreas)


 * Suggestions from Roland (Samuel)

+ http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libre-office-vs-numbers-td4167428.html

+ mostly general ideas (Samuel) + might be good to point Roland to the .ui files, so that he can do improvements etc. (Kendy) + will mail him & point to the calc sidebar .ui files, so that he can play with that (Samuel)


 * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay)

+ Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet

+ draft finished, but Jay not that happy with the content (Heiko) + what to do to unblock? :-)       + we should share it at least in the current state, to get feedback, and be able to iterate (Heiko)        + unfortunately cannot see Jay recently (Kendy)

+ let's wait with the Area Tab blog post for now, Jay had some concerns (Kendy) + let's publish the Table Style blog post now instead (Kendy)


 * Evaluation of what the users need (Michel)

+ what use cases are we targeting (Michel) + we have personas in the HIG (Kendy) + would be good to prototype + test (Michel) + prefer doing the LibreOffice code directly - so that it is exactly what can be done (Kendy) + but if you know of a tool that can do it more easily, please do tell us (Kendy)

+ in the case of the Area Tab, it is only about re-arranging the existing dialog (Heiko) + not necessary to have user stories there, but useful for new designs (Heiko) + interesting to have user stories even when re-designing (Michel)


 * Bug discussions

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&list_id=527515&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- + discussed, and acted on: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84953 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85383 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81519


 * NotebookBar (ToolSpace?) (Samuel)

+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pt1Psa4YDVwFOdYlLl6TXaK5LIK2uf1RKJk1UOTLsWg

+ current focus: loading the toolbars from glade (.ui) instead of .xcu files

+ keep in mind the HIG (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar + mentions some future enhancements of toolbars that might be helpful here (Heiko) + eg. grouping + possible with Notebookbar + eg. http://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.0.7/#!/example/toolbar/toolbars.html ?

+ Will have a friday session on NotebookBar topic on Fr 04th of Dec + Please have a look at the following links until then: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar#Resources

+ the patch was reverted in master, will re-introduce that (Kendy) + considering a rename to 'ToolSpace' when at that; let's see (Kendy) + current plan: do more technical ground work there, so that the rest is up to         concrete design of .ui files via glade (Kendy) + then many paths are possible, eg: + https://smehrbrodt.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/improving-the-toolbars-in-libreoffice/ + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar + but we want this to be an "implementation detail" - whatever is in .ui files (Kendy)


 * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)

+ Andreas provided the icons for transitions + many thanks! :-) (Kendy)

+ Paulo proposed new mimetype icons (Heiko) + nice stuff (Stuart) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-default-dark.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-high-contrast-dark.png + looks good, positive feedback on the ML (Kendy) + could have a better contrast for the Draw icon (Heiko) + up to Andreas + Jay to merge if it fits their plan (Kendy)