Design/Meetings/2015-01-14

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2015-01-14-tc4136299.html

Minutes
Jan 16, 2015; 4:33am Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-01-14 + Jay: Ask what is the plan with the templates on the new Extensions site [Andreas mailed design@ ML, Jay will respond.] + Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as     a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
 * Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Mattias, Stuart
 * Pending Action Items:
 * UI changes integrated the last week:

+ Integrated the templates from the Templates contest (Kendy) + Category tree view in Tools -> Options does not cut off text now (Adolfo) + hi-dpi improvements in the rulers (dbeurle) + Cleanup of frames in .ui files (Adolfo) + Several new Sifr icons (Matthias)


 * Cover art for 4.4 user guides

+ k-j: The Documentation team needs perhaps some new cover art for 4.4 user guides documentation + http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/cover-art-for-v4-4-user-guides-td4135730.html actual looking: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts/Documentation#Cover_for_V4.2 source files: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Source_files_for_cover_art + the current ones (shown above) look pretty good to me (Kendy) + but if there is a need for change, happy to promote that using the Design G+ and Twitter (Kendy) + if the svg is broken when open with LibreOffice - please file a bug (Kendy) + and use a png snapshot for the moment... (Kendy)
 * Last week's discussions that need a resolution:

+ Return of the horizontal ruler (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87923 + turns out that it is still useful to have the horizontal ruler (Stuart) + there are concerns => revert (Kendy) + actually it's possible to show _only_ the horizontal one (Stuart) + Tools -> Options... -> Writer -> View AI         + conclusion: let's change it to show the horizontal ruler (Kendy) + Location of Header/Footer (Jay) I believe it is maybe best under format for calc and impress as     they function differently https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86440 + Calc + Impress different to Writer: they already have the headers / footers (Jay / Cor) + still it seems good to have the location in the menu same as         in Writer (Kendy) + conclusion: Let's keep it as it is for 4.4 (changed to             Insert) + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001 + the position on the left looks strange (Jay) + there is a setting "automatic" - launches according to the size (Stuart) + this is the default now (Stuart) + but makes the document jumping here and there when you zoom (Stuart) + "Two pages" tooltip is misnamed - it can have more pages than that (Stuart / Heiko) + "Column mode"? (Heiko) + "Fit pages"? (Kendy) + "Automatic"? (Stuart) - that's in the code + or "Multipage view" / "Multiple page view"? (Stuart, Jay, Mattias) AI     + conclusion: about the default, let's change it to single page (Stuart) + Changing the context menu entry 'Default' to something more meaningful (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86877 + to have just a word "Default" in the menu is strange (Jay) + how to get it: F2, select text, right-click + confusing what it means (Jay) + yes (Kendy) + "Default" -> "Default Formatting" ? (Heiko) + it is actually not only the text style, also the number formatting + "Apply cell style"? (Heiko) + "Reset to cell style"? (Kendy) + "Reset to cell formatting" (Jay) + sounds good (Kendy) + conclusion: Let's do it (4.5 only). + 'Spelling' or 'Spelling and Grammar' (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648 + Writer has "Spelling and Grammar", Calc and Impress have only "Spelling" + if the functionality is working, let's just change the name in         Calc and Impress (Kendy) AI     + conclusion: Double-check that grammar checking works in Calc and Impress, and if yes, change that to be consistent with Writer (Jay) + Calc - Context menu entry to edit Conditional Formatting (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87357 AI     + talk to Moggi what's his plan (Kendy)

+ Sidebar - undocked deck moves back onto Tabbar of the window at     "closing" (Stuart, Joel) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87217 + the behavior is indeed confusing (Jay, Kendy, Heiko) + additionally there is a bug with docking (Heiko = Archlinux,         KDE 4.14.3, LO 4.3.5.2) + in some cases it works (for Kendy eg.), but not in other (for Heiko) + conclusion: The Window's closing button should indeed close the window, not dock the sidebar AI         + easy-hackize this (Kendy) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85905 + Writer - clipboard tools, always expose to context menu or hide when no active content? (Jay, Adolfo) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86850 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84177 + Document preview in open dialog (Jay) Adolfo suggest this be a GSoC https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87748 + Better term for "soft hyphens"? https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/560 + Disable object, image, and character toolbars in Impress (Jay, Cor) To simply the interface by having just one toolbar above and below https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87676 + Default insert image anchor and wrapping (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87720 + When image anchor is set to 'As Character' it should set vertical align to top (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87742 + Unify wrap labels (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87783 + Tools > Options > View entries crushed (Jay, Stuart) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87876 + Unifying the location of 'Tools' (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85511 + non-breaking characters showing with grey background (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58434 + keyboard mode indicators in statusbar (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88367 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88296
 * Discussions that need resolutions - backlog from the last weeks

+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fPolgF_RyvCYXLIoVaTHkL2ZnaUJkNpIykTWYrDMEY/edit?usp=sharing + Heiko presents a draft of a proposal for making the Tools -> Customize... dialog easier to use + looks good! (Kendy) + could be a nice GSoC task (Kendy) + comments are enabled, if you have things that you would like to     change there / add / re-consider, please add comments (Heiko) + Heiko - if you can put some thinking into this / do a proposal similar to the Customization one, you'll have a developer for this ;-) - me (Kendy)   + probably not at the stage to kill the original dialog yet (Kendy)        + Calc still does not have that as a sidebar        + horizontal scrolling needed in the sidebar    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Templates_for_LibreOffice_4.4    + Joel said:      1) US date should be 'January 11, 2015' and not '2015. January 11'.     2) rename them from "Moderate" and "Modern" to "Basic Business         Letter" and "Modern Business Letter"      3) really like Modern and "I would totally use that one"
 * Customization Proposal (Heiko)
 * Change tracking sidebar (Kendy)
 * Templates Feedback

+ New revision of one: Scientific manuscript + unfortunately too much text, we don't have a translation framework for templates yet (Kendy) + l10n framework for templates planned for 4.5 - then we will definitely consider it for that version (Kendy)
 * Terribly outdated screenshots on www.libreoffice.org (Jay/Kendy)

AI + Jay will be able to do it this week (Jay) + https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/screenshots/

+ google docs document dumping folder https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlaXJwc05rLU8zT00&usp=sharing + please upload if you have good looking documents that you can share + need to produce screenshots with the RC2 + not necessary to provide as many of them as we have, better if         we have fewer very good looking ones than many ugly & outdated ones