QA/Meetings/2014/July 02

=Prep=

= Agenda + Minutes =

 Minutes:

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Before we Start
A few minutes before we officially start the call, we'll try to have a few people on hand to help assist newbies set up their teleconferencing gear, get things muted, and log on to all of our communication channels:
 * QA/IRC
 * Etherpad - QA Pad
 * Talkyoo or Google Hangout

Start
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IRC Minutes
 (Talkyoo meeting today)

The State of QA
Including any Opening Discussion


 * Impress Remote:
 * Bluetooth adapters arrived?
 * Jun 20 - Joren's adapter arrived


 * xx- Bugzilla migration
 * Updates...
 * Re: need to reset passwords
 * Email notification ahead of migration
 * Tweak the change-password page and the front page to indicate that people will need to reset their passwords
 * Create an 'About our new Bugzilla' video as a part of our 'Intro to QA' series


 * Bugzilla:
 * SUGGESTION: Use bugs.documentfoundation.org/ to host Bugzilla
 * We can have both LibreOffice and some of the Document Liberation Project libraries all exist as top-level products in the bugtracker
 * QUESTION: Should we refocus ourselves as the TDF QA Team (to cover LibreOffice, DLP, etc.. ?)


 * Bluetooth adapters all arrived!
 * Bugzilla migration

Project Management:
 * What about global TODO lists? (across various TDF/LibreOffice teams) (Joel)
 * Perhaps something available via Redmine? Or a project management tool? (Robinson)
 * Best option for now is Wiki, but we'll still keep looking.
 * [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will check-in with cloph re: project in Redmine for project management
 * Feature request filed as.


 * ACTION: Ask cloph for QA project for Redmine (Robinson)
 * Migrate our TODO items over there

BugHunting Session 4.4.0 Beta1 * due date: Week 47, Nov 17, 2014 - Nov 23, 2014 * wiki page setup: week 42 * create logo: week 42 * first communication: week 43 * PR: week 44 * banner on the sites: week 44 * Reminder week 46 * social media com: week 46 * Prepare Moztrap run week 46 * Reminder on the lists and social media week 47
 * How did it go?
 * When is our next BH Session?


 * Work to improve communication re: MozTrap (Sophie)
 * What kind of marketing for BugHunting sessions? (Jay)
 * Blog posts, Twitter, G+ page, TDF announcements
 * Main LibreOffice G+: 3,300 people
 * Possible marketing on Reddit? Perhaps r/linux, r/libreoffice, r/LinuxActionShow/ (Jay)
 * I chatted w/the Linux Action Show folks at LinuxFest Northwest (Robinson)
 * Also phoronix.com
 * Re: Marketing, individual teams -- would it be helpful to document our relationship with marketing? (Robinson)
 * Not as much for the pros, but more for newcomers to understand what resources are available

weekly status
* https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html

UNCONFIRMED Bugs
UNCONFIRMED bug count:
 * June 18th: 1042
 * Today: 985
 * Difference: -57


 * ACTION: Joel will come up with strategies (bloggers? other marketing?) to get us under 500 UNCONFIRMED over the summer (by the end of August)


 * Almost on track to meet our goal of under 500 UNCONFIRMED (Joel)
 * Possibly get some people interested in bug triage at US Summer Hackfest (Robinson)

Regression watch (Bjoern)
* Regressions in 4.3 not in 4.2 * Regressions in 4.2 not in 4.1
 * Previous Counts: 32, 37
 * Previous Counts: 65, 85


 * When we have direct access to the db (with own Bugzilla install) we may be able to graph and better-understand the rise of # of regressions vs. LOC, number of new features added, etc.. (Robinson)
 * Just want to make sure that we're not sacrificing quality for new features

Topics for ESC?
Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)


 * Query for bibisected regressions: Bibisected bugs
 * Broken down by component and Severity
 * Previous counts: 64, 81, 94, 95


 * Numbers are looking better

Need_Advice Bugs
NeedAdvice bugs
 * Previous counts: 80+, 32, 32


 * Some of the oldest bugs are real warts; not sure if devs will want to deal with them (Robinson)
 * If so, we need to get some traction. We don't want to see bugs sitting around in NeedAdvice for ever (Joel)
 * Perhaps one of the core devs can make the decision to mark NEEDINFO or INVALID or etc..
 * At some point, QA does need to deal with these bugs if devs aren't interested (Robinson)
 * Highlight oldest bugs --> find people/resources to repro them (e.g. if we need a Brother printer, search LO and/or tweet and ask for help)
 * Important bugs will be fixed eventually (Sophie)
 * If someone really wants a bug fixed, they'll pay for it
 * Make sure users have reasonable expectations about the effort required to reproduce, triage, and fix bugs (Robinson)
 * Joel does a good job of this


 * IN general, devs are cautious about joining our call (worries about being hounded about bugs? :-) (Joel)


 * Most important part of Open Source project is communication (Sophie)

PENDING ITEM: Auto-updates for regular users and QA Testing

 * ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
 * ACTION: Open discussion again re:auto-update for QA on the mailing list (Robinson)
 * Related: - "LibreOffice-Installation enhancement/medium NEW UI: Provide RSS feed for torrent downloads" (Joel)

 punt

PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

 * ACTION: Organize time to stress-test new Bugzilla VM (Joel)
 * ACTION: Make sure to suppress outgoing email during our testing of the test Bugzilla (Robinson)
 * ACTION: Perhaps add Simple HTTP Auth (htaccess) control restricting access to https://bugzilla-test.documentfoundation.org/ (Robinson/Norbert)
 * ACTION: Resolve url for hosting our Bugzilla instance (Joel)
 * Deal with acronym if using tdf.org url (tdf# ?)


 * ACTION: Set up call and/or thread(s) with the useful people on a mailing list (Robinson)
 * May 22 - Started process
 * June - Need to follow-up again with key people re: current progress (Robinson)



PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

 * ACTION: Chat w/Bjoern, etc... re: updates to bibisect repos (Robinson)
 * Propose docs on testing w/3.3.0 separately to place bugs in pre-LO category (Robinson)
 * ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Norbert)
 * Perhaps ask Cloph for help re: Bibisect stuff, and keep Norbert's cycles free for Bugzilla migration

To review:
 * IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
 * IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit



PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

 * ACTION: Review BibiGUI -- any Windows/C# Python volunteer dev (Bjoern)
 * June 19 - Joel may have found a volunteer?
 * ACTION: Create an EasyHack a bug for the process of rewriting the existing C# code in Python (or Java) (Florian R.)

Related:
 * ACTION: SI-GUI: Contact the people running "interesting" Windows tinderboxes and ask for their assistance (Florian R.)


 * No Florian! :-(
 * No further update from volunteer interested in Bibisect GUI (Joel)

PENDING ITEM: EOL, Release series, and Stable versions

 * ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)
 * May 5th - Punting to see until updater is fixed
 * ACTION: Make enhancement request for this issue (so we can take it off the agenda) (Joel)


 * Take it off the agenda --> we can bring it up later again (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

 * [DONE] ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel & Robinson will chat about Boston
 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will recruit a few European developers to connect remotely
 * ACTION: Check on status of LibreOffice building in the cloud for hackfests (Robinson)
 * [DONE] ACTION: Follow-up on what resources we have re: in-person/remote devs in 1 week (June 25) (Robinson)
 * June 19 - Mmeeks very likely; no response from remote devs so far
 * [DONE] ACTION: Include request for artists to attend the Hackfest (make sure we have enough for them to do!) (Robinson)
 * Included in the notes for hackfest planning

Update on:
 * Other Events: (School in Pennsylvania)?

 Events/2014/US Summer Hackfest
 * Take inspiration for the hackfest page from the Paris page (Joren)

Long-term/Frozen Pending Items
These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

 * ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:
 * Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?



PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

 * ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:
 * Next steps for NL versions (bug #?)

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PENDING ITEM: US Merch Store

 * (Future progress)

PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

 * ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:
 * How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:
 * MAB Tool - Server/service down for now

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PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

 * ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)
 * Need to meet w/Charlie R. to talk with his Uni contacts as well

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New Action Items
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New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)
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Announcements

 * ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... July 20th (Wednesday) at 17:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

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 * T-Shirt contest for US Summer Hackfest: Events/2014/US Summer Hackfest/T-shirt
 * Deadline: 12th of July

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