Design/Meetings/2016-12-22

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2016-Dec-22-tc4203377.html

Minutes
Dec 22, 2016; 6:32am Heiko Tietze-2 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-Dec-22

Present: Jay, Heiko, Tomaz, Kendy

Organization

* Notebookbar blog post has been published + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/12/21/evolving-past-the-restrictions-of-toolbars/ + many comments, mostly positive and open-minded

Tickets

* List of new icons for 5.3 (Andreas) + there was an email about lower case? + Andreas asked about it in the bug report and i replied to him https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87914 + contact Andreas and point to the previously mentioned GDoc (Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit + Have a wiki page? + undecided; a lot of work for maybe not much outcome

* Dialog control tooltips (Heiko) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104413 + Consistency of every control to have a tooltip (Heiko) + Lots of translation work to add tooltips to .ui files (Jay, Heiko) + Tooltips already provided by help (Jay) ESC: make a proposal --> here it is https://docs.google.com/document/d/18u_DcmjyIPS1HzxhLEMu_1teFL-1uGGs_Xjfpg1l4d4/ + self-explanation is important (Jay) + are there any applications that have tooltips for everything? (Jay) + MSO does not have tooltips for controls (Jay) + date created for Explorer (Jay) + nothing when hover the tree / search field - nothing (Jay) + no tooltips in the dialogs either (Jay) + always popping up tooltips in the dialogs would be annoying (Jay) + in toolbars it's fine, as buttons dont have labels and only icon which isnt always understood (Jay) + we can have the status quo: no tooltips in the dialogs (Heiko) + want to either have it everywhere, or not at all (Heiko) + what blocks us from allowing it, and evaluate when there is          the first dialog that has tooltips? (Kendy) + a11y concern (Heiko) + tested that, works fine (Jay) + every control has the associated label (Jay) + some corner cases: W and H instead of "width" and "height" (Jay) + improved the labels there + would like to see a dialog with such tooltips in action first, before we      take a decision like "everything has to have tooltips" (Kendy) + not happy about this, but can live with this (Heiko)

+ guidelines in general: + should codify what is a result of how things are progressing, never should be used as "it is in the guidelines, now you all have to change          the implementation"

* Area tab heavily increases size of dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103225 + Issues with high dpi likely because of fix values (Tomaz) + please revert the patch + double-check then with various DE

* Color palettes + all changes are in 5.3 + Blog post draft finished + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1faOPqiJFmaj_9HJJqJKnEMg8biQj1bBEyOoTs5k3qes + Read over it once again (Jay), publish next week (Heiko)