QA/Meetings/2013/February 22

=Prep=

(Same items as QA/Meetings/2013/February 8th, due to cancellation)

=Agenda=

Completed Action Items

 * 1) If no one objects, removing this from agenda, can see completed items in Minutes
 * 2) 3.5 MAB
 * 3) Need to review remaining bugs - move those that still exist on 3.6 to 3.6 MAB if applicable
 * 4) If a bug is determined not to be a MAB, remove from MAB list with a comment on bug
 * 5) If bug is fixed on newer release 3.6+, close bug as FIXED, leave comment stating that 3.5 is at end of life

Pending Action Items

 * 1) NEEDINFO Bugs
 * 2) Discuss thread, come up with agreement
 * 3) Update from ESC meeting
 * 4) Hold off until Bjoern returns to finalize
 * 5) Localized BSA -- French (Joel)
 * 6) Realistic Goals (moved to NEW Item)
 * 7) Funding Wishlist
 * 8) Punt until Bjoern returns
 * 9) Triage Contest (see New Items)
 * 10) QA Wiki(s)
 * 11) Update from Joel/Joren

New Items

 * 1) Most Annoying Bugs - Definition
 * 2) Establish some loose policy what is a MAB, ideas like "at least 3 users affected, broad bug that doesn't just affect one document, bad regressions"
 * 3) Hard Hacks
 * 4) ESC requested we start getting hard hacks again
 * 5) 4.0 bugs should be priority but other bugs are welcome (MAB good candidates)
 * 6) Hard Hacks Link
 * 7) Current QA Project(s) and Goals
 * 8) Volunteer to create wiki page for current projects QA is working on
 * 9) Establish goals (annual?)
 * 10) Naming Master Builds (Bjoern)
 * 11) Re-start conversation from ML "Naming builds. Please???" - would be very helpful for QA
 * 12) Release Notes require Dev to be QA for 1 month; "Discuss who to field questions to"
 * 13) Suggestion: Put a "report a bug on this" link by every feature listed in the Release Notes

Ongoing Action Item List

 * 1) Bjoern
 * 2) Twitter Feed
 * 3) Mime type default - FDO
 * 4) Version message - FDO
 * 5) Joel
 * 6) Metrics (bugs)
 * 7) Update QA and QA-Team Wiki
 * 8) Bug Importance/Priority Default
 * 9) E-Mail QA-Team page members to find out if they want to remain on list
 * 10) Ping Tollef to see if we can make it so NEEDINFO and WFM bugs can go back to UNCONFIRMED bugs
 * 11) Shipping options for prizes/gifts
 * 12) Joren
 * 13) Update QA and QA-Team Wiki

= Minutes =

Start

 * Meeting started at: 14:05
 * Participants: Florian, Joel, Petr

Completed Action Items

 * Note: From now on Completed Action Items will not be listed on agenda and will only be visible on minutes
 * Moved relevant 3.5 MAB to 3.6 and closed 3.5 MAB meta tracker (Joel)

PENDING ITEM: FreeDesktop.Org
+Triaging NEEDINFO -AGREED: We will move forward with auto closing these bugs moving into the future -AGREED: One warning will be given where we: -ACTION: Florian will write text for first “warning” -General agreement that at most it would be 20% of bugs are actual bugs but more likely much lower than this and without this move, they would never be touched
 * Thanks users for their report
 * Acknowledge that it's been in NEEDINFO for at least 180 days
 * Ask again for information requested
 * Say that if information is not given within 1 month, bug will be auto closed as INVALID

PENDING ITEM: BSA
+Localized (French) -Awaiting word from Rob, mostly done though

PENDING ITEM: Funding Wishlist
+Waiting for update from Bjoern -Necessary to get update for triaging contest

PENDING ITEM: Triage Contest
+No discussion +ACTION: Joel will work on wiki page

PENDING ITEM: QA Wiki's
+No discussion +ACTION: Joren & Joel need to continue working on this, cleaning QA and QA Team(s) wiki pages

NEW ITEM: FreeDesktop.Org
+Most Annoying Bugs -General Policies +QA Field -We've been much better about assigning ourselves as QA contact after triaging -Action: Joel will contact Tollef about getting a “take” option for QA field
 * No nominating your own bugs!
 * Only active triagers & developers should do this
 * Triagers will try their best to add comments when they add a bug to MAB
 * UNCONFIRMED – remove them
 * NEEDINFO – can stay on there, but shouldn't stay on NEEDINFO

NEW ITEM: Hard Hacks
+New bugs added, awaiting feedback from developers +Candidates should be limited to MAB list for the most part but other particularly difficult/annoying bugs can be added

NEW ITEM: QA Project / Realistic Goal
+ACTION: Joel will work on getting this page started, should include all projects (long/short) along with goals and “lead contacts”

NEW ITEM: Timestamp for Master Builds
+Action: Petr will look into getting some kind of time stamp in the about section of master builds, latest commit date/time is best but other option is time of build. +Bjoern may know something about this as there was discussion a year+ ago about doing this

NEW ITEM: New Features
+Major concern about new features squeezing through without enough QA testing +Many times QA is unaware of new features until it's too late to test, no good list to “test first” +Action: Joel will ask ESC if they are okay with -Developers create or use an existing bug and add "feature: " flag into whiteboard, e.g "feature:4.1" *This will help to find a tested even during the development phase -Developers mention new feature in the release notes once completed; see links at ReleasePlan ; +QA monitor the release notes page; They make sure that all features have assigned bug and that all bugs have the proper "feature: " flag; It the bug does not exist, they create it and add the developer into CC; the bugs should be marked as FIXED at this stage because the feature is ready + the bug will be used to track the testing activity and marked as verified once it pass testing; it could be used as a meta bug for tracking related bugs that breaks using the feature
 * mention there the existing bug if exists;
 * the bugs has to me marked as FIXED

+Agreed: QA will use “verified” more frequently with FIXED Enhancements especially those marked as NewFeature +Agreed: Comments will be used to show that multiple QA people test new features +Petr brought up moztrap being a possibility to test new features -Needs further investigation (volunteers needed)

NEW ITEM: Talkyoo Broken (skype)
+ACTION: Petr will look into other options as this call two people tried calling in using skype but failed to successfully connect

Action Item List
+Florian -Write text for NEEDINFO bugs
 * New

+Joel -Triage contest wiki page -Contact Tollef about QA “take” option -QA Projects/Goals Wiki -Ask Developers about our idea for New Features

+Petr -Timestamp on Help – About for people building LibreOffice -Conference call options outside of Talkyoo

+Bjoern -Twitter Feed -Mime type default – FDO +Joel also contacted Tollef about this, no email in return -Version message – FDO
 * Past

+Joel -Metrics (bugs) -Update QA and QA-Team Wiki -Bug Importance/Priority Default -E-Mail QA-Team page members to find out if they want to remain on list -Ping Tollef to see if we can make it so NEEDINFO and WFM bugs can go back to UNCONFIRMED bugs -Shipping options for prizes/gifts

+Joren -Update QA and QA-Team Wiki

End

 * Meeting adjourned at: 14:55