Design/Meetings/2014-10-15

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2014-10-15-td4125972.html

Minutes
Oct 16, 2014; 4:37am Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15

+ 'More Options' for insert table, 'More Fields' for insert field and 'More Styles' for styles drop down + Samuel: Create an easy hack - describe what tables should be     striped, and how to do that in the code + Kendy: Find somebody to transfer articles from redmine wiki to TDF + [last week] Changed the Insert Field button to dropdown-only: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84550
 * Present: Heiko, Hillar, Jay, Kendy, Samuel, Steve
 * Completed Action Items:
 * Pending Action Items:
 * UI changes integrated the last week (Samuel):

+ Do we want a split button? + originally opened the dialog + then changed that the default action inserted the page number + comes from the Insert toolbar update - where he was creating group buttons (Jay) + probably the situation is here a bit different - the functionality more distributed (Samuel) + stats: insert page number 50%, date 15%, More... 15%,                 page count 10%, time 5% + now similar to the table - changed to just drop down only + like that it is similar to the table (Kendy) + problem with the icon + not descriptive (Jay) + not an issue to have the Page icon, if that's the most used functionality anyway, and then have it first in                 the list (Kendy)

AI         + Conclusion: Update the icon, and keep the dropdown (Jay)

+ [last week] Styles dropdown

+ Previews the background color too now + Changes font color when it's too close to the background color + Flat menu button - just the triangle is shown, button on         mouse-over + should styles also show text alignment, as it would be useful when the drop down is added to the sidebar? (Jay) + tricky question :-)           + it is a small dropdown - so wouldn't be much visible (Samuel)            + punt after it's in the sidebar? (Jay)            + sounds it could be usable (Heiko)

+ Conclusion: Will not block a patch for that if somebody implements this - but not a priority for the moment

+ [last week] Styles+Formatting floating dialog removed, will now always open in the Sidebar (as the Gallery) + what happens when when the sidebar is not visible? (Kendy) + it will open the sidebar (Samuel) + there's a small bug if you hide the sidebar a special way, then it will not show up (Samuel) + but bug filed (Jay)

+ [this week] hiding of paragraph level background color button in     formatting toolbar (Jay)

+ Jay hid it in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=affe79b5a920a2aa0bc284e918c96aa0379c5efb and Kendy enabled it in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=bb29c5723a6053476b6f398c8550b2a839aa07fc + reasoning for its hiding + most users do not set paragraph level background color, as             it colors more than the space taken up by characters + users will be confused between character background color (aka highlight) and paragraph background color (aka             background color) + other word processors that dont have paragraph color in             toolbar/sidebar - iwork pages, abiword, wps/kingsoft writer, calligra words, wordperfect, ms word 2003, google docs + most S/W don't have the func to set the paragraph color that anyway (Jay) + confusing - 3 buttons; what each of them does? (Jay) + it is wrongly labeled - it's a paragraph color (Jay) + the highlighting is confusing too - it is not what Word has as the 'Highlight' feature (Kendy) + concern about hiding functionality - if it is used, we'll             get fire ;-) (Kendy)            + it aligns better with the 1st row of buttons when hidden (Jay)            + looks better                + http://i.imgur.com/keUX5SK.png vs. http://i.imgur.com/8IMHRzp.png

AI         + Conclusion: Kendy will try to see how hard it is to turn the 3 spacing buttons to 1 dropdown, keep the background color for now, and measure. + there is a drop-down already in the sidebar (Samuel) + good, will try to re-use that (Kendy)

AI + Heiko: File a bug about better description of tooltip (sidebar - spacing). + "Increase Spacing" should be "Increase Paragraph Spacing", same for decrease


 * Removal of cut, copy, paste buttons from writer's standard toolbar (Jay)

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84909 + No way before we measure this ;-) (Kendy)       + in MSO, Paste is the biggest + most prominent button in Word,          I bet they have a reason for that (yes it is a large icon to          show emphasis, as paste is the number one used function in any word processor)             + Yet again, the need for a combination of big+small                toolbars arises (there was a GSoC project (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Development%2FGSoC%2FIdeas&diff=89030&oldid=88966 ), why was it removed? (Adolfo) + please note that the https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Tracking_results are for Impress, not Writer. (it is for all modules Kendy :D) + iWork Pages and all macOS applications don't have cut, copy, and paste buttons in toolbars + People that agree with this proposal: Mirek, Daniel, Samuel, Heiko, Tor, Astron, iplaw67, mjayfrancis + People that oppose: Jean-Baptiste Faure, Adolfo Jayme, Cor Nouws, Cassandra Freund https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77261 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/3?r=60#message-60

+ Heiko can run a survey - old vs. new toolbar + problem with the interaction (Jay) + easily doable (Samuel) + question can be "what do you use", but also "what is         acceptable to you" (Heiko) + or "do you agree with removal of this or that" (Heiko) + Heiko + Jay will propose questions to ask in the survey + pasting as unformatted text is very helpful (Samuel) + one of the options is to remove the cut and copy, but leave paste (Samuel) + I like this proposal! (Kendy)

AI + Conclusion: Heiko + Jay will come up with a set of questions for the survey, and we'll review it at the next meeting + prototype: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=35da89fa1428f5286304fc707252242554d49ea6 + data collection + see what / how Mozilla is doing it       + hopefully we could re-use the code of the server part? + http://blog.mozilla.org/metrics/2011/08/25/do-90-of-people-not-use-ctrlf/ + https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/ + no real progress since the last time, Kendy busy
 * Collecting the user information (Kendy)