Design/Meetings/2016-02-26

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2016-02-26-td4177320.html

Minutes
Mar 03, 2016; 3:07am, Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-02-26
 * Present: Italo, Stuart, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Jan-Marek, Tomaz, Akshay


 * UI changes integrated the last week:

+ Add a "filter" to Insert > Field > Other > Cross reference tab (Akshay) + ".uno:LineToolbox" command into writer (Gulsah) + UI for classification (Miklos) + Update of .ui files in Option (Adolfo) + More menus converted to xml (Maxim) + Slide preview fixing (Rishabh) + Fix paper cuts in animations sidebar (Bubli) + Tweaks in tango and galaxy icons (Jay) + Native Gtk3 popup menus (Caolán) + Vertical alignment buttons for shapes in the sidebar (Maxim) + Move accessibility relations to .ui files (melikeyurtoglu)


 * GSoC - Special Character dialog (Jay/Heiko)

+ should we design implement our own or use OS specific charmap dialog https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37229 https://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kcharselect/ https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Gucharmap + char map app is not necessarily bundeled on Linux (Heiko) + Adolfo worked on the task; in our dialog some features are missing (Stuart) + Proposal for high-end dialog made last year at http://user-prompt.com/de/libreoffice-design-session-special-character/

+ from the development point of view, would rather have own dialog, than having to maintain code for ~5 platforms (Windows, macOS, LXQT, KDE (Qt4/5), Gnome2/3, etc.) (Kendy) + agreed, good to add more features to our dialog though (Stuart) + it is not a single dialog / API, but external program(s) on those platforms (Jan-Marek)

+ conclusion: let's stick to our dialog, and promote improvements in it for the GSoC


 * GSoC

+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + needs to be filed in until the next Tue + Heiko will add the ideas there (/done) /done Area Fill, Table Styles, AutText, Bibliography + Samuel added Notebookbar (Jay: good, Heiko: better define requirements first) + we should file in the tasks that are completed from the design point of view + Table styles, Customization dialog, Sidebar, ... + design session stuff : table of contents dialog, symbol dialog, fill dialog, print dialog https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8&usp=sharing + done + redesign template manager https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit?usp=sharing

+ Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available)

+ concern about the Notebookbar task (Heiko) + it is supposed to provide the ground work (Kendy) + yet it talks details that were not decided yet (?) (Heiko) + propose to move it to a different section, if it is for the ground work (Heiko) + good idea, will move it to porting / platform (Kendy)

+ potential student Akshay joined the the hangout, Stuart explains the concept (Stuart)


 * Cell borders interopability (Jay)

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79787

+ would be good add new line styles, so that we can map between Calc and Excel 1:1 (Jay) + currently the 13 Excel types map to 7 LibreOffice styles (Jay) https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=121956 + suggested to add new odf/libreoffice styles, so that we can map perfectly (Jay) + the interoperability problem comes from us... (Jan-Marek) + the solution isn't the most optimal interoperability fix (Jay) + loses the information - maps to something that is not true (Jay) + at least this improves roundtrip (Jan-Marek) + suggest to create a follow-up bugreport (Kendy) + Jan-Marek will discuss with Jay (Jan-Marek)


 * Draw-related survey (Heiko)

+ published and continued (will close on Friday, 19 February) https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/02/07/what-do-you-expect-from-draw/ http://user-weave.com/survey/b0edf831f89d4d23bb3d6b6ba3e574a9?12 + Results https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByWdNpQKVjM8bF91TGJCUXlFUk0

+ many participants, over 1200 valid answers

+ intermediate results at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OEnqvhBkBMoULW_1Zeb37UpM3GbZaUynj2reM3Bdq-U/edit + textual analysis work in progress at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GjpudJOJQUlWh7AHGpB5iAEk086SQ6nkAzkKOXPJL84/edit#gid=0


 * Place to share documents - where? (Heiko)

+ Where to place raw/binary data (ods, r)? + wiki probably best (Jay, Stuart, Kendy) + gdrive possible too, but has problems (Jay, Heiko)

+ There is also a TDF ownCloud instance (Kendy) + was not reliable the last time we tried (Jay)

+ we should encourage use of the tools that are provided by TDF (Kendy) + suggest to try pad again for creating things (Kendy) + unfortunately that currently brings more problems than usefulness (Stuart) + tried to use that, but more hassle than benefits (Jay) + only 3 sizes of pictures (Jay) + stuff disappearing (Jay) + basically need a word processor, much looking forward to LOOL (with collaboration) (Jay)

+ conclusion: Definitely use the TDF infra for results (wiki etc.), but unfortunately for the creation, the tools are not fit enough :-(


 * Sidebar survey

+ http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/UX_Sidebar-Survey + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ts5GlnrOGWcn7_V9naqRF-Ag9EWzFpsF6GwxH_uzzRw/edit

+ should we start it? + in vacation the next 2 weeks (Heiko) + some good discussion on the list + but that seems to be closed now (Heiko) + do now? (Heiko) + let's go for that (Kendy)

+ originally thought of some lightweight blogpost, but user-weave will be probably better (Heiko) + some additional questions for user-weave (Heiko) + user screen size would be useful (Jay) + documents side by side (?) (Jay) + full-screen or not (?) (Kendy)

+ a picture at the beginning of the survey vital (Jay, Jan-Marek) + otherwise much of the stuff is not understandable

+ dropped a question about toolbar / sidebar + it is not well defined, does not add more info