Design/Meetings/2020-09-16

Link
https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2020/msg00111.html

Minutes
Present: Stuart, Sascha, Heiko Comments: Csongor

Tickets/Topic

* 2 columns default spacing shouldn't be 0 cm  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135960 + agree with 0.5cm (Heiko, Stuart) + implementation mistake, presets in the dialog work (but not the spinner neither    the sidebar) => fix it

* UI Calc Format – Spacing submenu contains unusable, greyed out items + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136071 + don't touch the main menu (Roman) + remove line spacing completely from Calc's main menu (Heiko, Sascha, Stuart) + indent is available in the sidebar and under Format > Cells: Alignment + paragraph settings are available via main menu Format > Paragraph, context menu and sidebar + commands are placed at too high a level (Gabor) + a) move to Format - Object - Spacing    + b) keep Format - Spacing for Increase/Decrease Indent or          move these two to Format - Text => let's get rid of it

* Sidebar: Fontwork sidebar is missing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136140 + not frequently used, so -1 (Heiko, Stuart) + see also tdf#136145 Sidebar: 3d settings sidebar, likewise -1 (Stuart) + in some UI modes the fontwork toolbar doesn't pop-up automatically and it's the only way to access some properties + no feedback from the sidebar even in standard UI mode + we need better guidelines for the sidebar (Stuart) + LibreOffice is not GIMP where sidebars make sense but we do not have a clear use case (Sascha) + same applies to 3D settings (Stuart, Sascha) => WF

* Sidebar: Move List content back to the Paragraph section in Draw/Impress + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136075 + lists are prime in presentations much more than in text processing (Stuart) + in Impress lists are not part of the PS but in Writer + access to list properties per content panel icon would be possible anymore if we move this into paragraph (Heiko) + keep separate in Impress- and move on Writer too? + for sake of consistency, yes; but it's correct today + afraid of people who want to contextually hide the list deck (Heiko) + sympathizing with the request; only way to make it consistent is to have an extra content panel for lists in Writer too (Sascha) + maybe the Bullets & Numbering dialog or numbering style dialog opens from the to be introduced new content panel for lists; ideally we      get the new list style dialog in Writer too => for now resolve WF

* Transparent background when exporting a page with image to PNG + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136165 + change is necessary (mwtjunkmail) + reason for the confusion is likely the fact that background color is saved when the full document is exported + don't see Draw as equivalent to Inkscape or the like, -1 for the checkerboard background (Heiko) + also it's not clear how to implement without affecting the document + but we already have provided checkerboard for the SB Gallery + would be nice to have (Stuart) + Export option "[ ] Save Background as visible" (Csongor, Stuart) + if so, have a new section *Background* with "[x] Save Transparency" => comment only

* cannot shrink width of Styles panel + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136428 + see also https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2020-September/085939.html + nasty topic, only as backlog => postponed for next Wednesday meeting Sep/30