QA/Meetings/2013/December 16

=Prep=

= Agenda + Minutes =

 Minutes:

Content from the meeting itself ("the minutes") will be displayed in blue boxes like this.

Before we Start
A few minutes before we officially start the call, we'll try to have a few people on hand to help assist newbies set up their teleconferencing gear, get things muted, and log on to all of our communication channels:
 * QA/IRC
 * Etherpad - QA Pad
 * Talkyoo or Google Hangout

Start
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The State of QA
Including any Opening Discussion


 * T-shirts update:
 * More T-shirts delivered to:
 * Laszlo
 * Still en-route to:
 * Hackert, Mandal, Viehöver, Münch
 * How did the BugHunting Session 4.2.0 go?
 * Bjoern: Kiva gift cards
 * Updater news?


 * Hooray for shirts!
 * Had some interest, but didn't have many new people show up in the QA channel (or otherwise get involved) (Robinson)
 * Communicate earlier about the event (Rob)
 * Start a couple of months early, then keep up notification every couple of weeks (Joel)
 * Use a personal request/email to get someone interested/involved (Joel)
 * Banners? -- Get more advertising swag up on our website/elsewhere (e.g. reddit)
 * ACTION: Joel will come up with a timeframe for future Bug Hunting Sessions/Triage Contests
 * Let's try to have an event every 6 months

UNCONFIRMED Bugs
UNCONFIRMED bug count:
 * December 2nd: 954
 * Today (16th): 956
 * Difference: +2


 * Let's keep the number decreasing! (Robinson)
 * Anything beyond stable #'s is amazing (Joel)
 * At least 195 bugs have been triaged this week
 * Changes to the BSA may help us here in the future (Rob)

Topics for ESC?
Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

Need_Advice Bugs
Need_Advice bugs

I'm going to bring up the following bugs:
 * (Perhaps more a11y bugs?)


 * Updater: If the 'install' button isn't currently working, we should just remove it (Joel)
 * This has been broken for quite some time; Let's hide it until it can work for us
 * The notification about a new version is VERY prominent -- very in your face -- therefore many users are likely clicking it and seeing broken functionality (Joel)
 * Might be getting fixed in AOO by next release (Rob)
 * Impress Remote iOS: Fix for 4.2 or wait for 4.3
 * - StartCenter: it is not possible to easily navigate through recent used files with the keyboard (SteveBell)

PENDING ITEM: QA Team working with Local Teams

 * [DONE] ACTION: (Sophie) will organize a meeting for RC1 with all the teams
 * Nov 29 - Sophie emailed out about an all-Teams meeting in prep for 4.2.0 release (around Dec 16-22).
 * Who will represent QA? (Possibly Robinson or Bjoern)
 * Dec 3 - Meeting will happen on Dec 16th (a few hours before this QA meeting!)


 * Beneficial to have multiple people in the call at the same time (Robinson)
 * Discussion in marketing-priv to make sure that we plan the release so that it does not interfere with FOSDEM and the new website (Sophie)
 * ACTION: Sophie will plan another meeting -- with Native-Lang teams -- for January

PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

 * ACTION: Robinson/Cloph will talk to Tollef about next steps in Bugzilla migration
 * Dec 4: Cloph heard from Tollef: In planning stage, but might make some progress this weekend.

Topics to review:
 * Voting for new Bugzilla abbreviation ends at this meeting!

Older:
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to activate voting on FDO (merged item)
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail (merged item)
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to clarify 'version' label in Bugzilla (merged item)
 * ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates (re: Bold statement on FDO mail)


 * No update from Tollef yet (Robinson)
 * I'll need to tally final votes for abbreviations (Robinson)
 * TALLY:
 * blo (1)
 * libo (2)
 * lbz (3)
 * lob (3)
 * lo (6)
 * lobz (7)

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

 * ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Robinson)
 * Dec 04 - Bibisect repo up on test server - email me for details (Robinson)
 * Figure out some way to make it easy for a separate user profile for the bibisect repo (Robinson)
 * Dec 04 - Done: See http://testing.eagleeyet.net/~qubit/bibisect/run-libreoffice.sh
 * Dec 05 - Preparing to upload to TDF server (Robinson)
 * Dec 08 - Uploads on servers; Norbert will do final setup of repo, etc..
 * Dec 11 - Testing underway (need to poke the TDF server perms to get git repo access)


 * IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
 * IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit


 * Have bibisect repository covering from 3.5 -> 2013-11-25 (Robinson)
 * Lots of help from Norbert

PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

 * ACTION: Punt on implementation until after we have bibisect repos up and running (All)


 * Started work on Windows Bibisect GUI (Florian R.)
 * Waiting for a test repository

PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

 * ACTION: Sophie will create page in silverstripe
 * ACTION: Robinson will talk to cloph about getting page up (theme support?)
 * Dec 05 - Cloph will wave a magic wand over the code if we can give him HTML+CSS+JavaScript
 * I'll update the images, tweak the license, etc.. (Robinson)
 * Dec 08 - Page and license are both updated and everything is ready to go (Robinson)

References:
 * Test Install
 * Git repo


 * Cloph will add code/backend support to silverstripe (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: Updates to the BSA

 * [DONE] ACTION: Remove EOL versions from the BSA and implement 'please update' message (Rob)
 * See Notes on implementation
 * And see -  BUGZILLAASSISTANT: Still able to file bugs against EOL versions
 * Dec 09 - Changes ready to merge.
 * Dec 10 - Changed merged and tested
 * [DONE] ACTION: Ask Joel to add 4.3.0.0.alpha0+ Master (Robinson)
 * Dec 04 - Added by Joel
 * [ABANDONED] ACTION: Ask Rob to expand Windows (All) --> Windows 2k & XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8+ (Stuart)
 * Per the system requirements page, Win2k isn't supported. The rest of the Window OSes are already listed in the BSA's OS-picker, so things are looking good.


 * BSA is in good shape
 * Releases of 4.1 and 4.2 beta/rc are all that remain in the BSA (Rob)
 * If we currently offer 4.0.6 for download, should it still remain in the BSA?
 * The 4.0.6 version hasn't been removed yet because some NLP pages still link to it, per Cloph (Robinson)
 * Ask ESC?
 * Either punt on EOL until the version has been removed from the website, or make sure to remove the version from the website when EOL date arrives (Joel)
 * The last version in a release series is really only useful for enterprise environments. Most people should be migrated away from that release series by that point. (Robinson)
 * Too much text on our download page (compare with Ubuntu's page) (Joel)
 * If you're a company, you should buy L3 support; users won't have this level of support
 * The primary issue about the last version (e.g. 4.0.6) is that if there's a security issue, the user won't get a security bugfix on that major (Bjoern)
 * ACTION: Robinson will ask ESC about the issue of offering the last version in a release series as 'stable' -> filing bugs, etc..
 * A simple interface might have just 2 buttons on the Download page (and 1 link for "Other versions"); wouldn't feature portable apps or other special versions, but it's a trade-off (Bjoern/Joel)
 * Let's consider VLC's download page style (Meeks likes this one as well) (Bjoern)
 * ACTION: Joel will email out to the website mailing list asking about updating the Download page

PENDING ITEM: QA Input into website redesign

 * [DONE] ACTION: Joel will email to QA List about message we'd like to convey to Marketing/Website for community involvement
 * [DONE] ACTION: I'll check-in with Joel (Robinson)
 * Dec 08 - Joel has nothing to report (not much feedback from QA)


 * Here are the current mock-ups:
 * https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/Common/Website/2013_Website_Redesign
 * Currently planned for end of January
 * Please post feedback to the website list/Charles soon (Sophie)

PENDING ITEM: Start Center and Sidebar Concerns

 * ACTION: If you try to use LibreOffice without a mouse (and using a screen reader), how is the experience? (Everyone)

Relevant tracker bugs:
 * GNU/Linux -
 * macOS -
 * Windows -


 * ACTION: Robinson will get an update on the latest progress here from Stuart/a11y Team

PENDING ITEM: Fix Bugzilla attachment MIME-type problems

 * ACTION: Rob/Joren will work to finish our MIME-type-fixing script!
 * Dec 04 - Limitations in the API might prevent us from scripting the last step (updating to the correct MIME-type), but we can still create a quick-n-dirty web tool to give us a list of attachments that need to be fixed.
 * Dec 06 - I just ran into a handful of new bugs files against 4.2 that had attachments (probably uploaded w/the original bug report) that did not have the correct MIME type listed. All of these little papercuts quickly add up! (Robinson)


 * Waiting for our own bugtracker to help fix this
 * Joren and I have been working on some tools to identify and fix these
 * Had to make some improvements to the identifying scripts (Joren)
 * Fixed 300+ attachments in about an hour or 2
 * Semi-automated process: attachment is downloaded, checked using bash 'file --mime-type '. Output mimetype is verified and then copy/pasted in browser which automatically opens on the attachment edit page
 * Even after we upgrade to a patched bugzilla, it'll be good for us to have an overview of the current status of all of our attachments (Robinson)
 * See http://testing.eagleeyet.net/~qubit/www-bugassistant/stats/mimetypes/ for example output
 * Code: https://github.com/colonelqubit/www-bugassistant/tree/mimetypes-improvements
 * It's important to do it semi-automatically so we can catch false positives (Joren)
 * We can decompress zip files/tarballs and extract more documents from there (to provide more test documents for Markus' scripts)

PENDING ITEM: Dealing with big attachments for Bugzilla

 * [DONE] ACTION: Move existing large attachments to the wiki and update docs on the wiki (Robinson)
 * Per discussion w/Floeff on the mailing list, we'll (mostly) just punt on this for now until we have our own instance and can fix it properly (robinson)
 * Here's the Temporary Storage for Big Files page. For dealing with the period between now and migration being done.


 * An okay compromise for now

PENDING ITEM: Introduction video to LibreOffice QA

 * ACTION: Mock something up/have something to show for next QA Meeting (Robinson, Joren)


 * Punt -- hopefully for next time :-)
 * PSA: If you make any LibreOffice videos, please talk with Sophie so that we can add it to our YouTube channel
 * (Also if you find other LibreOffice-related videos, please send them along, too :-)

Long-term/Frozen Pending Items
These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

 * ACTION: Joel will turn this into an EasyHack and work on it (slowly)
 * - Cleanup Whiteboard Wiki Page



PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

 * ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

References:
 * MAB Tool

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PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

 * ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation

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PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

 * ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)

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 * Who has artistic skill to help with fliers? (Joel)
 * Who made the fliers for the 4.2 BugHunting Session? (Robinson)
 * Someone in the Brazil Team (Sophie)
 * Eliane Domingos de Sousa and Daniel A. Rodriguez
 * Try Marketing list? (Sophie)

PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

 * ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)

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New Action Items
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New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)
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Announcements

 * ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... December 30th (Friday) at 19:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

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