Marketing/ConfCalls/17-Nov-2010-irclog

   MARKETING CONFERENCE CALL START    Agenda can be found here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConfCalls#Agenda -->|   Stefan_W (~stefan@p5491EECD.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #documentfoundation -->|   yorick_ (~yorick@218-101-69-107.dialup.clear.net.nz) has joined #documentfoundation (ping for today is 625 - for all who joined in the meantime/didn't look at the wiki that was just updated)    Topic 1. Release preparations for LibreOffice 3.3 (Florian) --> might be skipped without Florian    https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/LibOReleaseEvents/LOPressKit -->|   jeha (~Jens@dslb-084-063-158-147.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #documentfoundation -->|   Jbfaure (~Jbfaure@ALyon-153-1-11-132.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #documentfoundation |<--   vardomescro has left freenode (Quit: Leaving) christoph_n: I'm in the call but without micro, I've made a very rough feature list that I can send or add to the wiki    Cool! hello ! :)       https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Weekly_Summary    -->|    jza (~jza@189.221.142.175.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) has joined #documentfoundation       there is RC4       we are in RC5 and in testing period       RC5 yesterday       so the launch is within next week       for beta of course        sophi -- my email address is marc@marcpare.com -- Marc       MarcPare: ok, I'll send you the list, it's base on developers weekly reports        Topic 2: Server for surveys within LibreOffice / The Document Foundation, infrastructure preparations (Christoph)        http://devdemo2.limesurvey.org        Thanks Sophi       Will the surveys be permanent or on demand?    -->|    fbircher (~unlogisch@pub082136123155.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) has joined #documentfoundation       christoph_n: it's also interesting because Limesurvey handle internationalisation    Great, that was my next question. http://www.silverstripe.org/user-forms-module/ is available at the silverstripe install - for simple surveys, that can be used...       3. Work on a slogan for the first LibreOffice release (proposed on the lists) Slogan Wiki page (Christoph)    https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Slogan <_rene_>   sophi: and there will be a rc6 ;)        sophi: What do you think about a slogan?       christoph_n: I added mine on FB : even a grand'ma can commit to LibO ;-) (for reference/the minutes - multi-step/pages forms are also possible, but require a little bit more work (and cannot be done from within the cms alone, but requires writing some code): http://doc.silverstripe.org/modules:multiform - so when it gets that complex, I'd think using a dedicated survey software (and plugging it in with colorbox or something similar) is the way to goo in the long run)    sophi: Advertise on the users list? Or ask italo first? christoph_n: ask Italo imho for basic direction |<--   gibi33 has left freenode (Quit: Leaving.)    https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Events/User_Experience_Done_Live_2009 |<--   jrmuizel has left freenode (Quit: jrmuizel) -->|   jrmuizel (~jrmuizel@mozca02.ca.mozilla.com) has joined #documentfoundation have you already drink bissap ? it's African it's made of hibiscus flowers and very tasteful :)   <christoph_n>    sophi: mmmhhhhh       http://www.congocookbook.com/beverages/jus_de_bissap.html    <christoph_n>    What color? Does it meet the requirements of the LibO branding?    <christoph_n>    Topic 4: Current branding / artwork status (Christoph)    <christoph_n>    http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/libreoffice-33-artwork-improvements.html    <yorick_>    Just add to the mix that I'm very keen on Lucas's design as a basis    <christoph_n>    Topic 5: Web site(drew)    =-=    yorick_ is now known as Graham_L    -->|    vardomescro (~jack@c-69-136-10-16.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #documentfoundation    <christoph_n>    Graham_L: Are you in the call?    <Graham_L>    I can't unfortunately    <Graham_L>    No local number    <Graham_L>    would cost me a fortune :) <christoph_n>   Graham_L: Well, okay, sorry. There will be some minutes. <Graham_L>   and not the best on dialup got skype Graham? Graham_L: you should try skype, we can discuss this together later if you would like ? <Graham_L>   It's always been the problem with phone confs, good for those close to the centre Graham_L: not with skype <Graham_L>   Skype on Dialup is problematic <Graham_L>   unreliable on an international connection i was saying that you had lots of good comments to take into account about the website front page, Graham... <Graham_L>   Is OK, I've learned to live with it, I'm getting close to a broadband solution :)    <Graham_L>    davidnelson, Heh, it's history repeating ;) But with the advantage that we don't have to take into account existing infrastructure Graham_L: they are currently discussing the target audience of the pages on the site, content and stucture i think you could maybe do a sketch of a front page as you visualize it   <Graham_L>    Cool, The coarse filtering that we worked out on the OOo frontend redesign was about as good as it gets <Graham_L>   Main thing is, get the user to the destination that suits their needs in 15 seconds or less ( http://test.libreoffice.org/ ) <christoph_n>   cloph: Thanks! <Graham_L>   whether it be newbie or developer, one off user or long time community member <olorin_>   cloph: Yep, that looks more like what todays users expect. <Graham_L>   cloph, love the language selection <Graham_L>   Yep loads like greased lightning yes, the site is very easy to manage, it's a real real pleasure compared to CEE ;)   <olorin_>    Hehe, well, making the page width dynamic might be an idea.    <olorin_>    sophi: Feast your eyes on this site: http://www.arngren.net/    <Graham_L>    olorin_, it doesn't actually matter a lot, the user should only be there for 15 secs and it should be limited in links 10 at the most    <Graham_L>    and 5 of those on the link bar    <Wheatbix>    I must go       olorin_: ouch, incredible!    <olorin_>    Graham_L: Yep, a clean front page.    <Wheatbix>    I am sure I will talk to you all soon       (cudos for creating the structure-dummy pages doesn't go to me, but rather to Stefan and others though :-)) <olorin_>   sophi: Hehe. |<--   Wheatbix has left freenode (Quit: Page closed) <Graham_L>   olorin_, holy crap!! :D <olorin_>   Graham_L: Hihi, yes, it's really terrible. <olorin_>   Let's say we don't do it that way...       cloph: can't we change from 'your browser tells your language is fr, to your language is french? <christoph_n>   https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/b/be/AndyFitzsimon_ArtworkProposal_web.png <Stefan_W>   christoph_n: can we get the official logo (branding quidelines !) on the top of the website, please ;-)    <christoph_n>    Stefan_W: The new website?       sophi: That script currently is still an external one, but sure, in future it can be changed - just a matter of feedback/whether we want such a thing at all    <Stefan_W>    christoph_n: Yes    |<--    guest has left freenode (Quit: Leaving)    <Graham_L>    sophi, That would be better, warmer feel    <christoph_n>    http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/website-progress-and-looking-back.html       cloph: I thinks it could be useful, but the code language doesn't say anything for most of my neighbours :) <olorin_>   christoph_n: You look scary... ;-)   <olorin_>    Graham_L: geolocation rather than browser language maybe?    <Graham_L>    olorin_, LOL, It reminded me of the scary starry eyed penguin splash screen that mandrake used back in 09 I think :D    <Graham_L>    That wouldn't work in South africa    <Graham_L>    or India    * cloph    doesn't own a phone with web-access :-) - but there is http://silverstripe.org/mobile/ (and yes, css can always be modified, added/adjusted...) <olorin_>   Graham_L: Hmm, ok. |<--   MPD has left freenode (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) <Graham_L>   Ithink OOo has 11 localisations in SA    <Graham_L>    a similar number in India <Graham_L>   Charles woul be more accurate about that than me    <christoph_n>    olorin_: I am :-)       I get the Russian site on my smartphone, and it looks good    <Graham_L>    christoph_n, :D    <olorin_>    cloph: Well, it does look a bit stupid when on a wide screen.    * cloph    has a 16:10 screen, but never use my browser in fullscreen mode, I prefer "portrait" aspect for my browser :-) (1680x1050 on the desktop) <olorin_>   1920x1080 <Graham_L>   same as olorin_ -->|   genomega (~genomega@user-1120jad.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #documentfoundation For those who want to modify the css and stuff/play with it locally http://www.mail-archive.com/website@libreoffice.org/msg01014.html <olorin_>   Well, let's get the general feel in place for now and add this later. <Graham_L>   Will do, I got my right hand back yesterday so I can actually get back into things <olorin_>   Too much sword slinging? <Graham_L>   typing up a storm after being stuck with lefthand only for a month <Graham_L>   LOL, no, too many dangerous toys in the man cave <Graham_L>   Or at least thats what my wife says <olorin_>   Aw. <Graham_L>   :)       skype has ejected me, so see you later, I need to go any way :) <Graham_L>   Good to see you sophi <Graham_L>   Bye <MarcPare>   Cya Graham_L: thanks :) bye   -->|    VolkerMe (~chatzilla@188-195-208-64-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #documentfoundation    <Graham_L>    MarcPare, why am seeing the wordy page on the drupal test site, I like the graphic a lot better    <christoph_n>    Topic 6: Mission statement for LibreOffice? (Marc)    <MarcPare>    http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg01252.html    <Graham_L>    Please make sure to recognise the difference between "Vision" and "Mission Statement"    <Graham_L>    Two entirely different things. Vision= where we see ourselves in the future    <Graham_L>    Mission Statement = how we intend to get there    <Graham_L>    simpliified of course    <christoph_n>    I know :-) <Graham_L>   Excellent <christoph_n>   We are currently talking about whether this mailing list discussion is helpful ... and we talk about your contribution (in the past). <christoph_n>   That is why I would like some good (and structured) approach to get there. I speak for myself, of course. <Graham_L>   My ears are burning! ;)   <MarcPare>    Vision and Mission tie in to the branding as well    <Graham_L>    Indeed    <Graham_L>    christoph_n, Structured process is good, with a dedicated small team    <MarcPare>    I am just telling on concall that you are interested in this aspect of LO    <Graham_L>    Maillist chaos can be problematic especially when you can't type :D...    <christoph_n>    Graham_L: You may have some clue how hard it was to come up with something for the TDF team ... weeks ... and help from a small team :-) <Graham_L>   Now I'm wearing my keyboard out, bit like the unchained tiger <Graham_L>   Oooooh believe me I do       i lost the call brb <MarcPare>   K    <Graham_L>    It's not an easy thing to do, big branding companies will sometimes work on such a thing for weeks with a team <MarcPare>   Yes. <Graham_L>   It looks easy, but it ain't    <Graham_L>    Ack coffee is empty BRB <MarcPare>   Christoph is saying that OK to work on mission statement <MarcPare>   maybe Graham you could join that thread then? <MarcPare>   TDF roadmap has a mention of this -- working on the mission ok    |<--    ottoshmidt has left freenode (Quit: Ex-Chat) <Stefan_W>   christoph_n: Bravo! :-D <Stefan_W>   :-)    <christoph_n>    Thanks all for participating (with or without microphone).    <christoph_n>    See you next time!    <--|    davidnelson has left #documentfoundation    <christoph_n>    MARKETING CONF CALL FINISHED