Design/Meetings/2014-11-12

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2014-11-12-tt4129528.html

Minutes
Nov 19, 2014; 1:24am Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-11-12

+ Jay: Bug report that custom and used styles should appear in the Styles dropdown. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85930 + Jay: Update Writer, Impress + Draw to include "Align" like in     "Align Left", "Align Right" etc.    + Jay: Update svx/uiconfig/ui/paralinespacingcontrol.ui with better icons (cmd/something...) + Jay: Hide the paragraph background toolbar button. + Jay: "List of Changes..." -> "Manage Changes..." + Samuel: Change sidebar so that that it returns to the previous state when you eg. use F11 twice. + Kendy: Set updating reference to false for 4.4 + Kendy: Push patch to default to large icons even on Windows. [we do that on all the other operating systems already anyway] + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for images.zip layering (if it does not     exist yet) + And also Easy Hack for downloading additional themes? + Kendy: GSoC task (or so) for converting "Manage Changes..." to     sidebar (instead of non-modal dialog) + Kendy: Adjust alignment and spacing in line spacing drop down - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83076#c11 + Samuel: Sidebar - hide the decks, but keep the sidebar (only the     icons) there. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85935 [Kendy - please take this over. Can't figure that out (Samuel)] + Samuel: Add Close menu entry in the sidebar's menu that acts like View -> Sidebar toggle https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85937 + Conference logo: https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/710 + Not many responses about it in ml: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg06785.html k-j is working on it. + at the moment we don't have many artists for bigger graphics + should we advertise that on the social media etc.? (Kendy) AI     + redmine thread - will add, and also twitter + G+ (Jay) + Select and toggle off master elements in Impress via Delete (Caolan) + Toolbar drop down menus are added to bullet and numbering buttons (Maxim) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85789 + Writer statusbar will show zoom features at 800 pixels width (Samuel) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86018 + Makes the toolbar a bit too wide? (Kendy) AI     + Will check (Jay) + Calc toolbar revamp using OOo stats (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85594 + Impress toolbar revamp using OOo stats (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84909 + Unifying the click behaviour in statusbar (Samuel) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82707 + Add missing statusbar toolips (Samuel) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82708 + Default to large toolbar icons on Windows (Kendy) + "Gallery" was renamed to "Clip Art Gallery" in the sidebar (Jay) felt the use of the word 'Gallery' wouldnt be wise as i've     proposed new sidebar tabs like 'Styles Gallery' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86040 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/430 + changed that, is that suitable? (Jay) + primary reason: better understanding, because gallery may mean many things (Jay) + but the problem is that there might be also sounds and other stuff (Jay) + another possibility might be a "Styles Gallery" (Jay) + if we talking the tooltip, could be "Gallery - Clip Arts,             Sounds and more"? (Kendy) AI     + will try if the long tooltip can be there, if not, revert (Jay)
 * Present: Ahmed, Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Steve, Stuart
 * Completed Action Items:
 * Pending Action Items:
 * Conference logo
 * UI changes integrated the last week:
 * Last week's discussions that need a resolution:

+ Adding View > Graphics (Jay, Adolfo) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86184 + possibilities to turn on / off things like the non-printing characters, etc. (Jay) + not sure about the use case (Kendy) + if something is slow, we should make it faster in the first place :-) (Kendy)           + the speed is not the only thing - might be useful              otherwise (Jay)        + would prefer not to introduce this :-) (Kendy) + let's leave it for the moment as is & see more in the issue

+ Merge Document being outside of the Track Changes submenu (Jay, Cor) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85046 + changed to main entry in the Edit (Jay) + I like this (Kendy) + no disagreement - let's try this for the feature freeze + oppose: it's contrary to the nature of the feature... pls read comment #8 (Cor) meeting (Jay)
 * Alex pasted this in the google chat while we were at last week's

+ Hi Jan, I can't join this week since I have a lab report that's     due. What might be worth discussing is whether we want to go for a flatter look regarding the text icons: the second one in https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/attachments/download/358/bold%20icon.svg All the flat text icons: https://github.com/libodesign/icons/blob/master/text.svg + icons too dark in the 4.3 (Jay) + did some polls on this on twitter etc. (Jay) + Alex suggested an icon with a plain color + best to have decide between Jay and Alex (Kendy) + both look fine to me (Kendy) + likes the 2nd one (the Jay's one) (Ahmed) + in general, best if you agree between the guys doing the icons :-) (Kendy)           + of course, if something becomes controversial, please              bring it to the meeting    + LibreOffice uses the GNOME HIG's (Kendy)        + but which ones? - there are 2 different ones ;-) (Heiko) + https://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.2/design-window.html.en (Kendy) + "This version of the Human Interface Guidelines was written         for designers and developers of GNOME 2 applications....")    + HIG for Gtk3:      http://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/21/new-human-interface-guidelines-for-gnome-and-gtk/      not finished, AFAIK, (Heiko)    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/12254    + pushed now
 * HIG's
 * Pushing text wrap into calc 4.3 (Jay)


 * Important shortcuts additions (Jay)

+ shortcut for AutoSpellcheck (ctrl+shift+F7 globally used by     Hangul/Hanja Conversion, shift+F7 used by trace presedents in      calc) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82969#c5 + important when we don't have that in toolbar any more (Jay) + what about Alt+F7? (Kendy) + will check (Jay) + but Alt is not good for a general shortcut (Heiko) + conclusion: Least problematic is to switch Shift+F7 + shortcut for track changes (ctrl+shift+E newly taken up by Edit Mode) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86183 + MS Office uses Ctrl+Shift+E + but the Ctrl+Shift+E is recent addition (Kendy) + so still can be changed; let's find something new for the Edit Mode (Kendy) AI         + OK (Jay)

+ File menu - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=109001 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85945 + I like it (Kendy) + Impress View Menu - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=109353 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86209 + quite unorganized (Jay) + rearranged to be more similar to other modules (Jay) + I like it too (Kendy) + any objections to these re-works? + no objections + http://user-prompt.com/de/standard-toolbar-in-libreoffice/ + clarification of stance that i had last week + Kendy misinterpreted the conclusion a bit at the ESC - not necessary to get more data, more important to allow smoother transition (Kendy) + google docs leaves only the paste and format painter, so this might be a good first step to get people off the toolbar for clipboard functions + I like this approach (Kendy) + conclusion: let's try to remove Cut + Copy for 4.5 + Arguments: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84848
 * Menu Improvements (Jay)
 * Clipboard and background color survey result published (Jay, Heiko)
 * Sifr survey preliminary results (Heiko)

+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BYyV9O4frnRrcwyxIZly_7gGQp8zhdKGilHi7CQ3v64/edit?usp=sharing + results relating to which icon sets to keep + ~60% use tango (46% stick with default), 21% use sifr, 8% use oxygen, 6% galaxy, 3% crystal + 41% windows, 52% linux, 6% mac + on mac: its a 50/50 split between sifr and tango, though 47% don't change the default tango + would be good to get what the breakdown of icon sets used by      different OSes (Jay)

Crystal Galaxy Hicontrast Human no answer Oxygen Predefined Sifr Tango Linux (GTK+)       0      3          0     5         0      1         31   19    18 Linux (other)      0      1          0     2         0      2         11    5     3 Linux (Qt)         2      3          0     0         0     16         19   13     2 macOS             0      0          0     0         0      0          9    8     2 no answer          0      0          0     0         1      0          1    1     0 Windows            6     12          1     0         2      4         69   18    12

Crystal    Galaxy  Hicontrast no answer  Human   Oxygen Predefined   Sifr      Tango

Low Usage          4      2          0          3          0         7         48         13          9 High Usage         4     17          1          0          7         16         92         51         28

Crystal    Galaxy   Hicontrast   Human  no answer     Oxygen Predefined       Sifr      Tango Age <40        5         11          0          6          2         15         93         50         24 Age >40        3          8          1          1          1          8         47         14         13


 * Survey to revamp Calc toolbar (Jay, Heiko)

+ http://user-prompt.com/how-do-you-want-libreoffice-calcs-toolbar-configured/


 * Opening track changes toolbar (Jay)

+ toolbar should open when opening document with track changes https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83958 + toolbar should open whe user clicks Edit > Track Changes > Record https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85741 + would be useful (Kendy) + would need the possibility to turn off the auto-popping up tooo (Cor) + as it is with the tables / bullets etc. toolbars AI + who will do that? :-) - find out (Kendy)


 * Automatic small or large icons for all platforms (Jay)

+ With automatic set for icon sizes in LO, below 1280 should be set to small. + not on the other OS'es, and people did not complain (Kendy)

+ got SVG sources from many people, Big Thank You! (Kendy) + now need to categorize that a bit + TODO count coverage / create page showing the progress + Papamatti and Jay are working on improving sifr icons, so         there are a number of new or modified icons that arent in the SVG sources, but are available on github. + current state? https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/35 (papamatti working on it). + problem pushing - cannot push any more (Ahmed) + https://github.com/libodesign/flat-icons - old, locked + https://github.com/libodesign/icons + new one + has 2 layers - one for Tango, the other for Sifr + helps to get the idea from Tango, and draw Sifr AI:    + will ask Mirek for access to the new repo (Ahmed)
 * Sifr Icons (Kendy)
 * Making sifr default on Mac (Steve, Jay)

+ with macOS now having flat icons, it would be useful to have sifr as default + how iWork Pages looks now - http://i.imgur.com/P5X7FSt.jpg + we should want to promote the icon set build by LibO, as macOS is a good starting spot + sifr incomplete - is there a technical solution for the missing icons? + like change the colors of the HiContrast to something gray? (Kendy) + does not look like it is possible to use it that way (Steve) + Writer by default already complete (Steve) + and the fastest evolving icon theme (Steve) + Sifr icons improvements https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/35?r=439 + conclusion: Let's do it for 4.4 + if too problematic for people, can revert for the final release (Kendy) + fixing / introducing new icons in the beta phase is not an         issue (Kendy) + could post a note to         https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42082 AI + Will do the switch (Kendy), Steve can test then, has a Mac + any plans for Sifr to work as hicontrast? (Heiko) + Sifr uses one color, the rest is handled by transparency (Jay) + easy to do this programmaticaly then :-) (Kendy)           + just to change this color to any other on the fly - white              for Hicontrast eg. (Kendy)  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84258    + they are sharing the same code, which is causing problems with      labels and icons    + the word 'slide' appearing in draw      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84208    + the word 'page' appearing in impress      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84257    + shouldn't be hard to add appropriate .uno: commands (Kendy)        + sort one out, and Easy Hack-ize the others?        + add what .uno: commands need such handling to the bug AI      + will collect them (Jay)    + when a consensus is reached, can still go to 4.4 if it is a bugfix (Kendy)    + if it is a feature - then either can be approved as a late feature      (via ESC)        + or has to wait for 4.5 (Kendy) + Swapping increase and decrease buttons in Sidebar https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85776 + cropped elements https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79758 + adding style drop down https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73071 + OK to change as you think should be best (Kendy) + its (supposed to be) not open by default, not expect changes to be controversial
 * Similar base code for impress and draw causing problems (Jay)
 * Controversial changes in bugzilla (Cor)
 * Sidebar Issues (Jay)