Design/Meetings/2016-02-19

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2016-02-19-td4176025.html

Minutes
Feb 19, 2016; 12:02pm Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-02-19


 * Present: Heiko, Jan-Marek, Kendy, Samuel, Tomaž


 * GSoC is close again

+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + needs to be filed in until the next Tue + Heiko will add the ideas there (/done) /done Area Fill, Table Styles, AutText, Bibliography + we should file in the tasks that are completed from the design point of view + Table styles, Customization dialog, Sidebar, ... + design session stuff : table of contents dialog, symbol dialog, fill dialog, print dialog https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8&usp=sharing + done + redesign template manager https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit?usp=sharing

+ Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available)


 * Draw-related survey (Heiko)

+ published and continued (will close on Friday, 19 February) https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/02/07/what-do-you-expect-from-draw/ http://user-weave.com/survey/b0edf831f89d4d23bb3d6b6ba3e574a9?12 + Results https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByWdNpQKVjM8bF91TGJCUXlFUk0

+ many participants, over 1200 valid answers + first feelings: more people want improvements in the visio-like features, much less want publisher-like features + but many other interesting input too

+ Heiko will go deeper into the statistics + categorize the answers + extract the info...

+ The side bar currently has a maximum size limit + problem for wollmux exension (Jan-Marek)sw/sdi/swriter.sdi
 * Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek)

+ in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy) + we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the entire LO :-) (Kendy) AI:    + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better (Jan-Marek)        - http://snag.gy/e8550.jpg        - http://snag.gy/Q6pvY.jpg        - http://www.wollmux.net/wiki/WollMuxBar#Suchleiste

+ fan of the changes, just need to be careful - fixed size has some merit too (Stuart) + having a fixed/minimum value by default and allowing a sidebar extension dev to modify this value through api (Jay) + https://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/awt/XDockableWindow.html

+ Sidebar Bug Reports (Stuart) The Sidebar Meta - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65138

Sidebar "philosophy" where it needs to go - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33223#c11

a key feature -- multiple & detatchable decks, and support in profile state https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67770 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85905

+ basically now part of the UX team wants to give the flexibility, the other wants fixed size :-)       + suggested a poll - to get more info what the users are expecting (Heiko)        + actually cannot exactly make my mind either (Kendy)            + have some casses that are annoying, but other than that, I'd be for freedom for extensions (Kendy)        + concerned about moving input to the sidebar (Heiko)        + let's try to collect useful use cases, and pros and cons for them (Kendy, Heiko)        https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ts5GlnrOGWcn7_V9naqRF-Ag9EWzFpsF6GwxH_uzzRw/edit?usp=sharing

+ would it be actually a big problem when different sidebar panels have different width? (Kendy) + added that as a questionto the poll + constantly changing side when jumping from one tab to the next isnt good UX (Jay)

+ will share the poll on the ML, when the questions are agreed, publish about the next week (Heiko)

+ What about changing the sidebar tab programatically (add API)? (Jan-Marek) + no objection from me (Kendy) + if the extension does things the user do not like, they'll de-install ;-) (Kendy)


 * Update Default font

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577

+ Would be useful to change the default font in all apps rather than just impress (Jay) + Droid Sans, Serif, Mono (used on Android, available in Google Docs, available in ubuntu 12.04 & debian 6-backports) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droid_fonts + Noto Sans, Serif, Cousine (droid derivative to fully cover all scripts in unicode, available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto_fonts + Caladea, Carlito (bundled with LibO, metric compatible with MS Office default fonts, available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7-backports)

+ Discussion on the ML: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/New-default-fonts-td4175420.html

+ I think using the interoperable fonts makes most sense (Kendy) + there was a concern about Carlito on the ML           + number 6 and 8 are higher + and Caladea + some Cyrilic and Greek letters are missing + maybe we should also double-check the metrics compatibility (Kendy) + but this is all fixable - TDF can run a tender for this (Kendy)

+ what exactly MSO does when it opens a document using eg. Carlito? (Samuel) + probably it's possible to specify fallback (Tomaž) + let's investigate...


 * An alternative print range selection algorithm, 2. (Jan-Marek)

+ Patch has landed in master, needed additional fixup but works now - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89708 - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97505

+ still needs evaluate how it works with duplex-printing (Jan-Marek) + and if it is fine, switch default to not printing blank pages

+ water-sign / indicator with 'automatic blank page' would be nice (Heiko)


 * Spam at the blog

+ amount of spam dropped, good


 * Budget for the 2016 - brainstorming

+ Improvements in the Carlito / Caladea / ... fonts + Some travels to UX-related event(s)? + which ones? + Some new templates - competition prizes, or even a tender + When the UX metrics solution (now tendered) is implemented, H/W to actually crunch the data

+ please if you have other ideas, send feedback to the mailing list + deadline: 2nd March, we still can discuss at the next meeting