Design/Meetings/2013-11-06

Topics

 * Start Center

Attendees

 * astron
 * kendy
 * mirek2

Log
[15:28] Hi there! [15:28] hi [15:28] I'm sorry - had a conflict [15:28] How are things? [15:29] busy for me [15:29] not much in the way of libreoffice, though [15:30] so, about the start center, what kind of changes can you make? [15:31] thanks for replying to the ml, btw [15:31] it sounds like a sidebar is no problem [15:32] I assume native widgets are a requirement [15:33] I wonder how you feel about the proposals for what to display when there are no documents [15:33] Yes; so the sidebar-like approach is the easiest from my point of view. [15:33] I think so too [15:33] Wrt. the empty space - the light LibreOffice logo is trivial [15:34] The short text could be doable; but might be some work [15:34] [short text saying there are no recent documents] [15:34] ok [15:34] But I am not sure if it is necessary to write that at all [15:34] The logo itself is welcoming enough in my book :-) [15:35]  yes, but it doesn't exactly get the point across... [15:36]  it's not immediately obvious that recent documents will appear there [15:36] Yes, but does the user really care? [15:36] I mean - if I don't have a recent documents, I don't care they'll appear there. [15:36] When they start appearing, I might be wondering what is that thing that appeared there [15:37]  it's a problem if a user gets a dialog and doesn't know what it's for [15:37] But before this happens, I am happy because I don't know :-) [15:38] Then I'd go with a tooltip "Recently used documents will be appearing here" [15:38]  but that's still not immediately clear [15:38]  I was wondering if we could do something like http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_years/2013_1/elementary-noise-buggy-find-music.jpg [15:39] == mirek2 [56311b91@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.49.27.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] [15:39]  anyway, I'd really prefer to have some text indicating what's to appear :) [15:40] Then I'd prefer "Start a new document, or open an existing one, to see recently used documents here." [15:40] But "No recent documents" is not really welcoming ;-) [15:40]  sounds good [15:40] OK, deal :-) [15:40] just as an idea in between -- maybe it would be good if the start centre started out smaller than a normal window and without a menu bar, kind of like we know it from windows cd burner tools [15:41]  that's exactly wht I was suggesting :) [15:41] (but without the garish theming these tools usually have) [15:41] astron: I'd prefer not to erase the menubar for good; in case there are users who actually use that [15:42] oh, then consider yourself +1'd, mirek [15:42]  :) [15:42] kendy: just in the start centre [15:42] astron: Because currently the accelerators are taken from that one [15:42]  kendy: I think what we're asking for is for the SC to act like an independent dialog [15:43] astron: So you wouldn't be able to open the file dialog with an accelerator [15:43] mirek2__: Yes; I guess we are getting there ;-) [15:43] mirek2__: But as a start, I'd just minimize the amount of items in the menu [15:43] and thered be no way to keep the accels in sync with how they are in other parts of libo if you didnt take them from the menu? [15:44] mirek2__: The cut / paste / ... things etc. [15:44] But keep there the file functionality for now [15:44] astron: Probably there would be a way, but needs more work to find out if yes [15:44] astron: And I am extremely busy these days unfortunately :-( [15:45]  I guess the menu can't be removed due to macOS requiring it, but perhaps it could be hidden by default? [15:45] astron: So searching for ways how to do things with minimal amount of work, and maximal effect ;-) [15:45] ok. then in some way just hiding the menu bar from sight? (hack-ish, but maybe easier) [15:46] Is it really so big issue to have File and Help there? [15:47] And File just containing New, Open, and Quit? [15:47]  all these small things add up [15:47]  and make a big difference in the end [15:48]  but if it's too much work, I think we can live with it for now [15:48]  is there some way to size the window independently from the modules it opens? [15:48] Can check if it has a Hide method that would work; [15:49] but still would prefer to keep the menu there. [15:49] I already hear the users complaining ;-) [15:49] Wrt. the window size, I think it works that way already [15:50] Ah no, I lie [15:50]  perhaps show the menu when pushing Alt then? (I think that's how Firefox used to do it when it removed its menu bar) [15:51] mirek2__ that is an antipattern started by MS with the Vista version of the Windows Explorer actually [15:51] I'd say - let's minimize the menubar as the first thing [only File and Help, end even those minimized], and see? [15:52] <mirek2__> let's add help and some other things to the sidebar, first, though [15:52] <mirek2__> kendy: ok, sure :) [15:53] Uh, help is not in the http://i.imgur.com/RUfcMlw.jpg, where should it be+ [15:53] ? [15:54] <mirek2__> at the bottom? [15:54] <mirek2__> I hope we'll have a final design by the end of the week [15:54] OK