Design/Meetings/2014-10-08

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2014-10-08-td4125371.html

Minutes
Oct 10, 2014; 9:31am Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-08 + [I think Mirek joined later, but not 100% sure it was him :-)]   + Kendy: Provide Jay with pointers to .ui for the sidebar    + Samuel: Switch on the alternating lines in list boxes generally;      and also check what the other platforms are doing (like, if this way of highlighting is known/standard there)   + Jay: create bugs for the rest of new Color picker bugs in bugzilla,      and ping Krisztian    + Kendy: Create an Easy Hack to conform the sidebar icons size      to the general icon size setting - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66876    + Kendy: Check the how much info is in the redmine wiki    + none
 * Present: Cor, Heiko, Hillar, Jay, Kendy, Samuel, Steve
 * Completed Action Items:
 * Pending Action Items:

+ Seems to be generally a good idea for tables, makes it easier for the eye to follow the row + but not for simple lists + macOS: Finder and iTunes have striped Rows: + http://tinyurl.com/putu5ap http://tinyurl.com/p4czpdp + Windows: Seems to be not common + Linux: Not seen in Gnome, only KDE: + http://www.datamation.com/img/2008/07/kde-4.1-dolphin.jpg + Conclusion: Let's not enable by default everywhere, we should look for places where it could be enabled manually AI + Samuel: Create an easy hack - describe what tables should get this, and how to do that in the code. + not backed up!!! + the info from there should be moved to the TDF wiki, and only pointers from redmine to TDF should stay + luckily not much there - any taker to transfer that, please? AI + Kendy: Find somebody to transfer that...
 * Striped Rows (Samuel)
 * Redmine wiki (Kendy)

+ Changed the Insert Table button to dropdown-only: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84551 + reason for the change + concern about the default action - the main functionality in the arrow, not so common func in the main button + Some QA people want this reverted + concern about buttons that can be used 3x ways (Cor) maybe we break consistency? So if the decision is to         change the behavior, it must be a normal button, not a split one + which is the case! (Kendy) + How to express positive feedback, actually? (Steve) + hard...   + Need a measurable way... (Kendy) + hacked up counting of .uno: actions during user's work to have data + Comparative analysis + MS Word (2003 toolbar & 2007+ ribbon), WPS Writer (toolbar & ribbon), WordPerfect (toolbar), and Calligra Words (sidebar) all show it this way + iWork Pages has a toolbar drop down, but only allows selecting the table theme, as it automatically inserts a 4 column and 5 row table - http://youtu.be/1RyUYMhpXMw?t=12m16s + gdocs - no dialog to insert table at all, only choosing in the grid (from the menu, though) + Nice analysis: + http://user-prompt.com/de/libreoffice-user-research-results-vol-4/ (see the part "Interaction") + Better description of the button needed, 'More...' seems not to be     descriptive enough + 'More Options' is used in the sidebar with drop downs like bullets, underline, page size, etc + 'More...' is used in the style drop down, while other buttons have used 'Other...' (insert field) + or 'Custom...' (3d-settings toolbar's depth, fontwork         toolbar's characer spacing) (Jay) + 'Insert Table...' maybe? (Kendy) + 'More Details...' ? (Kendy) AI     + Jay: Pick something + see how we can make it more consistent overall. + Conclusion: Competitive analysis and http://user-prompt.com/de/libreoffice-user-research-results-vol-4/ (see the part "Interaction") supports that for Table button, it     is better to have the graphical selection as the default for the entire button, provided that we improve the wording of the "More..." button. Nevertheless, we will measure that (will be     possible shortly), and see how much is that used. + Update from the post-meeting chat: Re-measurement not necessary, the change is accepted, part of this was a misunderstanding.
 * 'Insert Table' button


 * UI changes integrated the last week (Samuel):

+ discussed only the 'Insert table', we have run out of time + the following were integrated - we'll go through that the next time: + Changed the Insert Field button to dropdown-only: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84550 + Styles dropdown + Previews the background color too now + Changes font color when it's too close to the background color + Flat menu button - just the triangle is shown, button on mouse-over + Styles+Formatting floating dialog removed, will now always open in the Sidebar (as the Gallery)

+ we have only very old data so far; and no idea how reliable + prototype: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=35da89fa1428f5286304fc707252242554d49ea6
 * Collecting the user information

All the best, Kendy