Design/Meetings/2013-11-24

Attendees

 * LLyaudet
 * mahfiaz
 * mirek2

Topics

 * Start Center

Log
[12:46] hi guys [12:46] sorry for being late [12:46] are you discussing something? [12:46]  not yet [12:46]  hi [12:47] anything you'd like to discuss? [12:47]  nothing in particular [12:48]  but I'm ready if you have any topic [12:48] ;) [12:48] honestly, I'm really behind on all LibreOffice stuff [12:48] let's see... [12:50] we have a new default template in the latest build, but I haven't gotten to try it out yet [12:50] if you've tried it, send your comments to the design list [12:51]  I haven't. Thinking about it I still have to document on VCL [12:51] I also have yet to comment on the new Start Center... [12:51] LLyaudet: I'm looking forward to that :) [12:54] I feel like there was a lot of controversy surrounding the new dialog... [12:55]  Yes people expected soemthing closer to Mateusz design I think [12:55] it'd be good if we could extend our HIG to resolve differences in opinion [12:55] LLyaudet: closer in what ways? [12:56] sidebar on the right? [12:56] huge logo on startup? [12:56]  yes and icons instead of previews fro thumbnails [12:57] I think the issue is that there are lots of different opinions on what it should be like [12:57]  I don't know for the huge logo [12:57] I personally would be against icons instead of previews [12:57] as previews can be much more telling than icons [12:57] and their aspect ratio is indicative of the file type [12:58]  I have no preference between both but someone mentionned security??? [12:58] (though I agree there should be more to indicate the file type, now that we don't have file type pickers) [12:58]  people expected the file type pickers also [12:59] LLyaudet: I agree that's an issue (more privacy than security, though). [12:59] it'd be great if we allowed removing and pinning thumbnails, like e.g. Firefox does [12:59] LLyaudet: that's another controversial topic :) [13:00]  maybe we should have polls on the wiki for these topics [13:00] I'm generally against polls [13:00]  why? [13:01] I'd resort to voting as a last resort [13:01] because design decisions should not be matters of opinion [13:01] but rather be based on deep reasoning and analysis [13:02] we should be doing user testing, but we aren't right now [13:03]  yes but we have to explain this reasoning and analysis to everybody and at the end we should have most of the opinions agree with the reasoning [13:03]  we can have a wiki page per controversial topic and give all the pro and con [13:04] funny -- that's what we used to do: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote#Open_Problems [13:04] we can do the same at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Start_Center [13:05]  it's a good idea I think [13:05] would you like to add an "Open Problems" section to that page, then? [13:07] (along with the topics you deem controversial) [13:07]  yes I just created an account to the wiki we can start right now [13:09] great :) [13:13] if you need help adding problems, tell me :) [13:20] <LLyaudet> I cant' submit my last modifications right now(spam limitation) [13:21] <LLyaudet> So far we have only the sectionOpen problem [13:21] that's enough, I think [13:21] <LLyaudet> I just added but wait for submit the three topics we discussed [13:21] ok [13:22] could you also make a post to the design list under the start center thread about these controversial topics? [13:22] <LLyaudet> of course I'll do it [13:22] and say that we'll try to have definitive resolutions next week at the IRC chat [13:22] thanks [13:22] <LLyaudet> ok [13:28] any other topics we should discuss? [13:29] I don't suppose you'd like to work on improving the Tango icons we have... [13:29] <LLyaudet> Do you know how much time I must wait between two submissions to the wiki ? [13:29] haw much? [13:29] <LLyaudet> how many? [13:29] how much time? [13:30] <LLyaudet> I forgot to ping mahfiaz [13:30] <LLyaudet> Tango icons ? [13:30] (the default icon set we have) [13:31] <LLyaudet> I'm not the good person to do the graphical design sorry [13:32] ok :) [13:33] if we have no other topics to cover, we can call it a day :) [13:34] <LLyaudet> ok see you :) [13:34] see you