QA/Meetings/2014/March 17

(Punted a week forward from March 10th)

=Prep=

= Agenda + Minutes =

 Minutes:

Content from the meeting itself ("the minutes") will be displayed in blue boxes like this.

Before we Start
A few minutes before we officially start the call, we'll try to have a few people on hand to help assist newbies set up their teleconferencing gear, get things muted, and log on to all of our communication channels:
 * QA/IRC
 * Etherpad - QA Pad
 * Talkyoo or Google Hangout

Start
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The State of QA
Including any Opening Discussion


 * T-shirts update:
 * Kiva Cards?
 * More T-shirts delivered to:
 * Still en-route to:
 * Hackert, Mandal


 * New Meeting Time?
 * ACTION: Joel will set up a doodle for a new QA Meeting time



UNCONFIRMED Bugs
UNCONFIRMED bug count:
 * February 24th: 956
 * Today (17th): 935
 * Difference: -21

 A little slow down

Topics for ESC?
Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

Need_Advice Bugs
Need_Advice bugs



PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

 * ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:
 * Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?



PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

 * ACTION: Robinson/Cloph will talk to Tollef about next steps in Bugzilla migration
 * Feb 24 - I'll try to ping Tollef again (cultivate communcation) (Robinson)


 * ACTION: Joel/Alex working to give Robinson a VM in which to test Bugzilla ourselves
 * This will speed-up the 2nd half of migration and after-migration tasks


 * VM is now running
 * Add a local OpenId server
 * Give a priority on tasks
 * Michael Meeks has a new contact at freedesktop but not more active than Tollef
 * Action: document everything for BZ migration on Redmine -> Robinson

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

 * ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Robinson) + Provide better docs
 * ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Robinson)

To review:
 * Robinson working on bibisect docs


 * IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
 * IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit


 * Not documented on the wiki
 * Give a 3.5 to 4.2 if merged, links in the wiki
 * Norbert suggestions to have a very rough repository where we can nail down patches is not really what we need now, we need something as simple as possible.
 * ACTION: Robinson will get more information from him

http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect-4.0-tags1.tar.xz but not so useful because you can still find issues in master, useful only if it broke on release branch
 * Bjoern repo:
 * We need more people to bisect on master

PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

 * ACTION: Joel will ask people to test the Windows Bibisect GUI
 * ACTION: Investigate what is causing the huge increase in size (Florian R.)



PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

 * ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:
 * Feedback page in new mockup
 * NL versions (bug #?)


 * NL not on the Website translation stage for the moment.
 * Need a link to Nabble QA forum.
 * Copy what is on the dev page
 * Action: Reporting on Redmine bugs about the QA site -> all

PENDING ITEM: Updater

 * ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)
 * ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
 * (Note: Push PPA for Ubuntu; similar for RH/rpm-based systems?)


 * Update to the next major release only if it's the same branch 4.2.2 to 4.2.3
 * Would be useful for QA
 * Maybe GUI Installer from Florian could be used for that.
 * Action: ping Kendy on this -> Robinson

PENDING ITEM: QA Input into website redesign

 * ACTION: Sophie/Robinson - Keep QA in the loop re: updates to QA pages

Website Redesign:
 * http://newdesign.libreoffice.org/



PENDING ITEM: Start Center and Sidebar Concerns

 * ACTION: Continue to watch Start Center/Sidebar until a11y concerns addressed (Robinson)

Relevant tracker bugs:
 * GNU/Linux -
 * macOS -
 * Windows -


 * Done for now, nothing new, not top priority

PENDING ITEM: Introduction video to LibreOffice QA

 * ACTION: Mock something up/have something to show at a future QA Meeting (Robinson, Joren)


 * No time for the moment
 * ACTION: set an easy hack -> Robinson

PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

 * ACTION: Joel will come up with a timeframe for future Bug Hunting Sessions/Triage Contests, with rationale.
 * Let's try to have an event every 6 months


 * Set one 4.3.0 bug event
 * ACTION: Joel/Sophie work on dates for planing: a month before and reminder 2 weeks before

PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

 * ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
 * ACTION: Write a script to make sure builds are being produced daily! (Robinson)


 * Seems ok - no time for the moment

Long-term/Frozen Pending Items
These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

 * ACTION: Joel will turn this into an EasyHack and work on it (slowly)
 * - Cleanup Whiteboard Wiki Page


 * New things keeping added but not on the page
 * When BZ will be locked out, that will not be so necessary

PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

 * ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:
 * How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:
 * MAB Tool - Server/service down for now

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 * Not so annoying if they are not on highest stat, only 5 that are not really Mab.

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

 * ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation

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 * Take it off
 * Once moved to our own BZ ask for Redmine instance for extensions (bjoern)

PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

 * ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)

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 * Talk to Norbert
 * Joel will go ahead

PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

 * ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
 * ACTION: Joel will respond to planning email (for Penn) and help shape what we can/want to do
 * ACTION: Robinson will check-in with OpenHatch/Deb Nichols to investigate partnership
 * ACTION: Follow-up with all of the people I met at SCALE re:possible hackfests/events (Robinson)

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 * No response for Canada
 * Immanuel, Robinson, fly to canada (joel)
 * May - make the date and try for 5 people there + one dev over a week-end (Joel)

New Action Items
All items proposed between meetings go here

NEW ITEM: Title (Author)
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New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)
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NEW ITEM: Investing in QA (Bjoern)
Bjoern will see with TDF Board how to do that and where.

NEW ITEM: Regressions (Bjoern)

 * Fields --> imported from Apache but difficult to bisect on 4.2 Writer
 * 400 bugs about table (20 about regressions) -> break and group them.
 * 30 mail merge bugs

Announcements

 * ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... March 24th (Monday) at 19:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List (which may happen).

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