QA/Meetings/2014/February 24

=Prep=

= Agenda + Minutes =

 Minutes:

Content from the meeting itself ("the minutes") will be displayed in blue boxes like this.

Before we Start
A few minutes before we officially start the call, we'll try to have a few people on hand to help assist newbies set up their teleconferencing gear, get things muted, and log on to all of our communication channels:
 * QA/IRC
 * Etherpad - QA Pad
 * Talkyoo or Google Hangout

Start
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The State of QA
Including any Opening Discussion


 * T-shirts update:
 * Kiva Cards?
 * More T-shirts delivered to:
 * Still en-route to:
 * Hackert, Mandal


 * New Meeting Time?
 * ACTION: Joel will set up a doodle for a new QA Meeting time


 * Any update on possible Hackfest in the US (School in Pennsylvania) ?


 * SCALE 12x was fun!
 * Help from David Eisenberg on Fri/Sat
 * Let's have more people there next year (recruitment from West coast/CA?)
 * Thoughts on getting swag for BugHunting sessions?
 * Tool for downloading copies of LibreOffice onto USB sticks: https://github.com/reisi007/LibO-Tankstelle (Florian R.)
 * Consider for future conferences, etc..

UNCONFIRMED Bugs
UNCONFIRMED bug count:
 * February 10th: 874
 * Today (10th): 956
 * Difference: +82


 * Ideas for attracting new help? (Robinson)
 * More/better tools (Florian R.)
 * Working auto-update of LibreOffice for Win/Mac
 * Security concerns? (Florian R.)
 * Expected of modern applications (Robinson)
 * Infrastructure concerns re: large updates? (Bjoern)
 * We shouldn't be afraid of our own success
 * Only push updates to our stable/fresh users every few weeks; QA can get updates daily, if desired (Robinson)
 * ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)


 * What about gnu/linux? (Robinson)
 * For Ubuntu, we have PPAs providing both stable and testing builds (Bjoern)
 * Stable: (libreoffice)"ppa" https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa (also explains the other PPA)
 * Testing: "pre-releases" - Get as many pre-releases and Bjoern can manage to build
 * What about using theses for BugHunting sessions? (Robinson)
 * There is a diff between the PPAs and official TDF builds, but minor, and the simplicity of the PPA may win out (Bjoern)
 * For RedHat/other distros? (TBD...)

Topics for ESC?
Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

Need_Advice Bugs
Need_Advice bugs


 * (see notes on Updater)

PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

 * ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:
 * Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?


 * After new website is up and running, re-examine our docs/workflow here.

PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

 * [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will work on a new lobster mascot for our Bugzilla [owen made one]
 * ACTION: Robinson/Cloph will talk to Tollef about next steps in Bugzilla migration
 * Waiting to hear back from Tollef
 * ACTION: Joel/Alex working to give Robinson a VM in which to test Bugzilla ourselves
 * This will speed-up the 2nd half of migration and after-migration tasks

Older:
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to activate voting on FDO (merged item)
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail (merged item)
 * ACTION: Get Tollef to clarify 'version' label in Bugzilla (merged item)
 * ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates (re: Bold statement on FDO mail)


 * Bugzilla cert expired, but fixed (Robinson)
 * Hopefully have VM soon for local testing (ahead of getting a data dump from FDO)
 * Will we run into problems with bug numbering/reduction of functionality/difficulty customizing if we use FDO dump? (Florian R.)
 * Shouldn't be a problem -- I've solid plans on how to keep existing bug numbers (Robinson)
 * (We'll toss the code into a git repo, and have a test server, etc..)
 * Chatted w/Tollef and other FDO guys this week (fixing expired cert, deleting accidentally-uploaded private data) (Robinson)
 * Hopeful to make some new headway here in the coming month.

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

 * ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Robinson) + Provide better docs
 * ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Robinson)

To review:
 * Robinson working on bibisect docs


 * IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
 * IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit


 * Punt

PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

 * ACTION: Punt on implementation until after we have bibisect repos up and running (All)
 * Florian is working on a Windows-only version
 * ACTION: Joel will ask people to test the Windows Bibisect GUI


 * Code works on macOS/Linux as well (Florian R.) [ https://github.com/reisi007/Bibi-GUI ]
 * Switching between versions takes 3min+ on Windows
 * https://github.com/libgit2/libgit2sharp/issues/623
 * Builds are twice the size than parallel installation
 * There are 49 installs of 1GB in the repo
 * ACTION: Investigate what is causing the huge increase in size (Florian R.)

PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

 * ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:
 * Feedback page in new mockup
 * NL versions (bug #?)


 * Walrus on the feedback page well received at SCALE 12x (we put "FREESOFTWARE" and "WALRUS" as the two words in the Crossword puzzle for the Booth Games) - (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: EOL, Release series, and Stable versions

 * ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)


 * As discussed above..

PENDING ITEM: QA Input into website redesign

 * ACTION: Sophie/Robinson - Keep QA in the loop re: updates to QA pages

Website Redesign:
 * http://newdesign.libreoffice.org/



PENDING ITEM: Start Center and Sidebar Concerns

 * [SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Robinson will get an update on the latest progress here from Stuart/a11y Team
 * Feb 1 - Emailed
 * [ABANDONED] ACTION: If you try to use LibreOffice without a mouse (and using a screen reader), how is the experience? (Everyone)

Relevant tracker bugs:
 * GNU/Linux -
 * macOS -
 * Windows -


 * Punt
 * ACTION: Continue to watch Start Center/Sidebar until a11y concerns addressed (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: Introduction video to LibreOffice QA

 * ACTION: Mock something up/have something to show at a future QA Meeting (Robinson, Joren)



PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

 * ACTION: Joel will come up with a timeframe for future Bug Hunting Sessions/Triage Contests, with rationale.
 * Let's try to have an event every 6 months


 * Punt

PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

 * ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
 * ACTION: Write a script to make sure builds are being produced daily! (Robinson)



Long-term/Frozen Pending Items
These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

 * ACTION: Joel will turn this into an EasyHack and work on it (slowly)
 * - Cleanup Whiteboard Wiki Page



PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

 * ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:
 * How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:
 * MAB Tool - Server/service down for now

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PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

 * ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation

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PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

 * ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)

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PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

 * ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
 * ACTION: Joel will respond to planning email (for Penn) and help shape what we can/want to do
 * ACTION: Robinson will check-in with OpenHatch/Deb Nichols to investigate partnership

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 * At SCALE: Met several students from California universities (Cal Poly, etc...) receptive to the idea of hosting a hackfest (Robinson)
 * Any updates on hackfests elsewhere in the US?
 * Philadelphia - Possibly
 * Montreal - Guys have connections to the university, can provide basics of hackroom, room/board (Bjoern)
 * Bring-in local guys: Kohei, Joel, Robinson, Ken Biondi, etc..
 * Might be able to bring-in others (e.g. Bjoern)
 * Here's What Works: Find a data/place, and then advertise HEAVILY to get others on board (Bjoern)
 * What about running a hackfest at 1-2 universities for 1-2 days each? (Robinson)
 * Probably best to stick with one university at a time; consider cross-promoting between both universities (Bjoern)
 * If we have interest from 2 universities, approach and see if they can share the event, and switch to the next one 6 months later
 * Lesson Learned: Tried having a hackfest in Silicon Valley, but had low turnout
 * ACTION: Follow-up with all of the people I met at SCALE re:possible hackfests/events (Robinson)
 * I did chat w/Deb and the OpenHatch folks, but want to continue that discussion further before I remove the Action item.
 * Deb also mentioned SpinachFest (?) before LibrePlanet -- opportunity for us to test out LO (UI stuff, IIRC) (Robinson)

New Action Items
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NEW ITEM: Title (Author)
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New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)
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Announcements

 * ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... March 10th (Monday) at 19:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List (which may happen this week :-).

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