Design/Meetings/2015-12-11

Link
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-the-Design-Hangout-2015-12-11-tc4169745.html

Minutes
2015-12-18 09:42, Jan Holesovsky-4 Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-11


 * Present: Heiko, Kendy, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž


 * UI changes integrated the last week:

+ Kill destructive color conversion menu in Impress (Tomaž) + ToolbarAsMenu controller in reportdesign (Maxim) + Displaymode icons (Andreas) + Improved toolbars (Jay) + Breeze icons improvements (Andreas) + Fix tooltips for frame alignment buttons (Samuel)

+ Save button behavior (Samuel)

+ Save contains "Save as" and "Save remote" in a dropdown + Dropdown was disabled when "Save" was disabled -> Made the button dropdown only when save disabled https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/20079/ + However, this is quite irritating (button has two different modes, user doesn't know why he can't click save and later he can) + Also users missing indication whether document is saved + possible solutions: + make only the dropdown active + move the functionality to Save As   + what do you want from that button? (Heiko) + is there a good reason to disable Save in the first place? (Heiko) + we already have a user setting to enable Save all the time (Kendy) + moving to Save As is a problem: wanted to hide it in the default toolbar + Save status is in the status bar too (Kendy) + not many people know about that though (Heiko) + the information could be in the tooltip; even with additional info (Document is saved / Document is modified / ...) (Kendy) +1 (Stuart) + eg. MSO has that enabled all the time (Samuel) + additional / new icon indicator in the toolbar for that - disabled by default (Heiko) + icon that looks disabled, but still clickable (Samuel) + that would be confusing (Heiko) + possiblity to switch the icon to one with a star when unsaved changes? (Kendy) + decoration / small star + like it (Heiko)

+ any technical limitations when allowing saving all the time? (Heiko) + not that I am aware of (Kendy) + conclusion: + implement switching of the Save icon to a "Document has changes" state + decorator, like an added star (Andreas promised to take a look, at least for Breeze) + enable Save always + remove the configuration setting to disable the Save button (because it would be confusing when the user switches to "disabling") + hide the Save As from the toolbar + Samuel will talk to Maxim, let's still try to get this in as a late feature

+ Navigator in Impress & Draw (Samuel)

+ What to do with "Show Navigator when Slideshow running"? + there is a possibility to have the navigator visible during presenting (Samuel) + but that's the point of the presenter console (Samuel) + would like to remove this feature (Samuel) + does not even work in my 5.0 :-) (Kendy)       + looks unused / nobody misses this feature apparently (Samuel / all)    + keep in mind that people wanted the use case the separate window for navigator in Writer (Stuart)    + conclusion:        + let's remove the "Navigator visible" from Slide Show -> Slide Show Settings...        + if there is a missing functionality, let's find out the exact use case, and add to the presenter console        + EasyHack created for this: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96414

+ Mail merge toolbar (Kendy)

+ current problem: in the Mail Merge Wizard, the document state switches between the "Source" and "Target" view + confuses users a lot + proposed to drop the last 3 screens from the mail merge wizard + instead put this functionality to a toolbar, that has + Mail Merge Wizard (for changes in the address settings etc) + back and forth for navigation + skip recipient + Edit Individual Documents... + Print (range) + e-mail (range) + conclusion: sounds good + will share the prototype when I get there (Kendy)


 * Suggestions from Roland (Samuel)

+ http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libre-office-vs-numbers-td4167428.html

+ Roland now bootstrapped, let's see (Samuel) + we can close this topic for now


 * Table styles blog post (Heiko)

+ shared a draft + needs a bit of discussion too unfortunately (Heiko) + discussed it in the call (Kendy/Heiko) + Heiko will finish the draft & publish


 * Start Center GUI suggestions for change (Stuart)

+ there were some new proposals about the start center (Stuart) + thanks so much for thinking in the new ways + sharing only a screenshot is not enough though + when considering a big change, more communication is needed - encourage to         join the #libreoffice-design, and discuss there

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96383 + Change Start Screen - kompilainenn's       + very concise, tabbed GUI -- maybe an alternate to current thumbnail based (Stuart) + would force us to re-implement the file browser in LibreOffice (Kendy) + we already have an own implementation, but that would have to be largery re-done + platform-native dialogs are preferred (Kendy) + conclusion: not for the moment + http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Fwd-New-Interface-suggestion-tc4169017.html + New Interface suggestion - Douglas Vigliazzi + MDI-like approach (Heiko) + having more documents in one app was abandoned years ago (Heiko) + browsers do it, kind of (Stuart) + but browsers have much less functionality than document editing etc. (Kendy) + problem with just moving stuff to the sidebar without more general changes (Heiko) + conclusion: thanks for the suggestion, but for the time being - we are not going to follow this path


 * Bug discussions

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&list_id=527515&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- + discussed, and acted on: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86085 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86303