Design/Meetings/2015-03-18

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    Minutes

    Mar 18, 2015; 2:39pm Jan Holesovsky
    Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-03-18
    * Present: David, Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Mattias
     
        + David for the first time - welcome! :-)
    
    * Completed Action Items:
    
        + Not using google docs for the design discussions
          [turned out to be a misunderstanding - OK with that for now]
    
    * Pending Action Items:
     
        + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001
            + Stuart: Change the default to single page
            + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to "Multipage view" or "Multiple page view"
              [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would be great to get that to gerrit]
              AI: Stuart -- figure it out and get it posted.
        + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar'
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648
        + Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the wiki page that collects changes in menus
        + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile
        + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
        + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
        + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
        + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
            + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
              and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128)
            + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
        + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794
             + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar
     
    * UI changes integrated the last week:
    
        + Auto/No Fill now has a button (Adolfo)
        + new breeze icons integrated (Andreas Kainz/Jay)
        + many icons optimized (Andrew Dent)
     
    * Icon Updates / Issues
     
        + Sifr
     
        + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
            + http://arsenalrace.at/analytics/ak/libreoffice/
            + Andreas will push to gerrit
                + pushed the changes sent via mail (Kendy)Kainz
                + looked like there were only few new icons - some got lost somewhere? (Kendy)
                + will ping Andreas (Heiko)
            + Breeze pushed today - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/14891/ (Jay)
                + conflict with Kendy's pushing :-) - fixed the links.txt (Kendy)
     
        + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for hidpi
     
    * Table of Contents (Heiko/Jay)
     
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89608
     
        + updated the design session document, finalized
            + one button less in the UI, will update the latest mockup
        + topic closed
     
    * CMIS / online documents mockup (Heiko/Jay)
     
        + follow-up concerns
            + changing size of the dialog (Bjoern B.)
            + there are 2 good solutions; will be decided what's best (Heiko)
        + will publish with proposals for the solution of the concerns (Heiko)
            + can include more people this way indeed (Kendy)
     
    AI  + will publish the blogpost (Heiko)
     
    * Friday's design session (Jay/Kendy)
     
        + 1pm UTC
        + this week's theme: Insert Special Character split/group button and dialog
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PxkIpkzgWF1cX9oQmBhjiTBhUXvUEqbz06Bn4hzbF54/edit?usp=sharing
     
    * Finished proposals
    
        + Change tracking sidebar proposal
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87695
        + CMIS / Online repositories
     
        + do we have a central place for collecting the finished ones?
            + Design Session Folder - https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8&usp=sharing
            + something that we can links from
              https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CoreHacks
            + CoreHacks - something like EasyHacks for the more advanced tasks (that need some mentoring)
     
        + the bug number in the bugzilla should be the entry point (Heiko)
            + to avoid confusion what is the 'ultimate' source
            + consensus: sounds good
     
    * Uncluttering Impress default view and stop toolbars from poping up and hiding (Jay)
     
        + Disable object, image and text toolbars - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87676
        + Move view tabs to left slide sidebar - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87672
            + Jay will create the mockups
        + Add media playback features to sidebar, so its toolbar can be disabled - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794
            + Kendy needs to check implementation of the sliders
        + Slightly reduce the default sizes of the right and left sidebars
        + Do not hide slide pane in handout and slide sorter views
            + showing makes no sense with handout and sorter ? (Cor)
     
        + no real blockers to go ahead
       
    * Uncluttering the Draw default view (Jay)
    
        + What an uncluttered Draw could look like - http://i.imgur.com/M1k9DHT.png
            + some additional buttons might still be reduced (Jay)
        + showed it to youtube Draw tutorial maker and he thought it was good - https://twitter.com/MichaelTFCG/status/564859639347818496 
     
        + idea is to make it more like the usual drawing applications
            + remove the pages previews on the left
            + just one toolbar row - to get more vertical space
            + sounds good to me (Kendy)
     
        + will go through the usage stats to see what can be further tweaked
     
        + biggest problem: need to convert the list of pages to a sidebar item
            + so that it is still possible to see the pages
    AI      + let's create a CoreHack for that (Kendy)
                 + part of the GSoC in the worst case
     
    * Last week's discussions that need a resolution:
    
        + "Update style" in style context menu in styles and formatting
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89824
            + non-controversial, could become EasyHack
     
        + Make it possible to copy style options to another style
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89827
            + Jay filed a similar bug - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85131
            + a picture would help in this bug report (Kendy)
     
        + Updating character style to match selection does not remove local formatting
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89829
            + inconsistency (Mattias)
            + needs a document showing the behavior (Kendy)
     
        + Style overrides could have a way to unset local changes (restore default?)
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89826
            + not sure how to visualize that (Mattias)
            + eg. some kind of [x] next to them that would remove that (Jay)
     
    * Code pointer needed
     
        + is the sidebar state saved in some .xcu? (Jay)
            + sould be, if you have problems finding that, poke me please (Kendy)