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    Dec 01, 2014; 11:22 AM Jan Holesovsky-4
    Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-11-26
    * Present: Alex, Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Stuart 
    * Completed Action Items: 
        + Kendy: Sidebar - hide the decks, but keep the sidebar (only the 
          icons) there. 

          + added to release notes 
        + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for layering (if it does not 
          exist yet) 
            + Did it myself in the end, it was not that easy Easy Hack 
        + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for downloading additional themes? 
            + Not really suitable for an Easy Hack either :-( 
            + but this could help (in the long run): 
         + Jay: Close bug 86302 as wontfix 
         + Jay: Move the Impress & Calc 'Header and Footer' entries to 
           Insert menu to be consistent 
    * Pending Action Items: 
        + Kendy: GSoC task (or so) for converting "Manage Changes..." to 
          sidebar (instead of non-modal dialog) 
 - proof of concept, 
          thanks to the hackfest :-) 
        + Kendy: Adjust alignment and spacing in line spacing drop down 

        + Samuel: Add Close menu entry in the sidebar's menu that acts like 
          View -> Sidebar toggle 

        + Kendy: Do / find someone / easy-hack-ize automatic opening of the 
          Track changes toolbar when there are tracking changes 
        + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently 
        + Kendy: Check how hard it is to make sidebar honor the icon size 
        + Kendy: Easy Hack-ize fixing of uno commands that need to be 
          duplicated in Draw and Impress 
        + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the 
          various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas 
              [styles previews in the sidebar etc.] 
            + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc 
              [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] 
        + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. 

    * UI changes integrated the last week: 
        + Hide the decks but keep the sidebar (only the icons) there (Kendy) 
            + opens in Calc in master, but not in 4.4 
            + should be done for 4.4 too, as some icons were removed from 
              the toolbar that are in sidebar only 
    AI          + enable Calc too 
        + Image themes layering - the themes do not need to contain all the 
          icons any more (Kendy) 
            + saves installation image size 
            + could be folded to Tango 
        + Icons are being added but slowly due to long waitings on gerrit 
    AI      + push access for Jay (Kendy) 
    * Last week's discussions that need a resolution: 
        + Shrinking the size of the context menu in Impress (Jay, Cor) 

            + we have just to many of them (Jay) 
                + does not even fit the screen - 24 entries! 
            + some are duplicated in the toolbar (Jay) 
            + smaller context menu preferred (Jay) 
                + we can do submenus, etc. 
            + do we have some indications of that in the 2009 data? (Kendy) 
                + will check (Jay) 
                + some of that in the sidebar too (Jay) 
                + unfortunately we do not have separate stats for images and 
                  objects (Jay) 
            + caution needed - we are still introducing the sidebar, need to 
              make the users comfortable (Stuart) 
                + challenge here - not to make users angry :-) (Stuart) 
                + better to make functionality easier than document wrong 
                  behavior (Heiko) 
                    + would be good to have a guideline (Heiko) 
                    + so far used: if it is in the toolbar, then don't put 
                      it to Context menu (Jay) 
                    + not that easy unfortunately - for some of the 
                      operations, the users should not move the mouse (Heiko) 
                    + but toolbar should not contain all the functionality - 
                      only menu is for everything (Heiko) 
                + happy with the Jay's approach (Heiko) 
                + yes, would be a good thing to have guideline, agree with 
                  Heiko (Jay) 
                    + will start putting together points (Cor, Heiko, Jay) 
                    + please do not do it heavy-weight (Kendy) 
                        + do not want to see it used as a weapon ;-) (Kendy) 
                        + create a guideline that always allows you to go 
                          ahead :D (Cor) 
                    + Heiko did these for KDE: 
            + conclusion: Go ahead with the changes, but carefully 
                + check the stats from the 2009, consult the heavy Impress 
        + Moving 'Table Boundaries' to the View menu (Jay, Cor) 

            + hard to measure this :-) (Kendy) 
            + the View menu contains other settings like these, looks 
              logical to move this one there too (Kendy) 
            + agree that it is similar as the View items (Cor) 
                + but we have a specific menu for Table (Cor) 
            + new users: when they see it in Table menu, they consider that 
              as a property of tables (Jay) 
                + when you click it, by default it looks like doing nothing 
                  (because you have the borders for tables normally) (Jay) 
                + in View, it is clearer that it affects just the view, not 
                  the table content (Jay) 
            + would the menu a bit more balanced (Kendy) 
            + let's do the change in master, and if we see complains, let's 
              revert (Kendy) 
                + I would not change unless there is a clear need, enough 
                  changes and to document and explain..(Cor) 
                + concerned, but acceptable (Cor) 
    * UX-advise fdo#80670, Left arrow moves to previous cell when trying to 
      edit (Stuart) 
        + think it should be closed as wontfix, as most apps do the same 
          thing (Jay) 
            + +1 (Cor) 
            + agreed (Kendy) 
            + function that we always had, not justified for change (Stuart) 
        + what is exactly the reason? (Heiko) 
            + people typing in lots and lots of data, power users (Kendy) 
    AI  + conclusion: close as wontfix (Stuart) 
    * Calc survey results published (Heiko, Jay) 
        + question in the comments: why the formula (tool)bar is not 
            + it was never converted from a hard-coded toolbar to a floating 
              one (Kendy) 
            + no real reason to change - it can be hidden and has different 
              functionality (Cor) 
            + but we won't block a code contribution to change it to a 
             'normal' toolbar (Kendy) 
            + reply on blog post written 
    * Icon Updates / Issues 
        + Conflicts in master 
            + caused by running optipng on the icons (Kendy) 
            + just push your versions 
        + Sifr script to generate the icons automatically (Kendy) 
            + sent the info to Alex 
               + worked 
               + best to have it in the GitHub icon repo (Alex) 
                   + done (Alex) 
        + Experiment: full SVG icon theme (Kendy) 
            + did not work that well 
            + converting through Inkscape is still the way to go (Kendy) 
        + Hi-contrast Sifr? (Jay) 
    AI      + code for that is not done yet - do an Easy Hack (Kendy) 
        + New lc conditional formatting icons 
            + Need to choose the most fitting ones 
            + Should the future drop down use scor lc icons? 
                + probably sc -> no need for a .ui file 
        + Gnome 2.20 style 'a' icons & Gnome 3 style text line icons 
    AI      + didn't get around to do it (Alex) 
            + strike-through still need an update (Jay) 
                + re-exporting with the shadow [half of what is in Gnome] (Jay) 
        + Breeze 
            + Wiki with list of icons to design (Riddell) 
            + Consider sidebar icons as well (prosmaninho) 
            + interesting bug - when the Breeze icon is disabled, it is 
              barely visible (Jay) 
        + Numix designed symbolic icons (Jay) 
            + spoke with the lead designer and he (and possibly his team) 
              would possibly be interested in do it 
        + Dark themes (Heiko) 
            + Several issues with dark themes 
            + providing a default theme with icon sets, primarily symbolic 
              ones (Jay) 
    AI      + find where these icons are defined, and tell Jay (Kendy) 
    * Single toolbar mode (Jay) 
        + Simple toolbar inspired by Google Docs 

            + ah, the idea to provide simple sub-sets of features in toolbar 
              and menubar (Cor) 
            + +1 +1 +1 :)  PROVIDED there is a simple on/off for that 
              presentation, and not default (Cor) 
                + heard that idea before (Cor) 
        + a question of vision (Heiko) 
            + is LibreOffice more a tool for experts who want everything, or 
              new users with limited needs (Heiko) 
        + for lots of people, less is more (Jay) 
            + usecase: writer that wants just to type text (Jay) 
            + we have the standard design, but can provide the functionality 
              for others too (Jay) 
        + marketing point of view: possible to tweak your UI (Cor) 
            + to do a 'competition', and put that into one of more 
              extensions? (sort of easy) (Cor) 
        + don't really want to compete with Google's approach (Heiko) 
            + LibreOffice is a powerful package; we should define our 
              position (Heiko) 
        + not dumb down the LibreOffice overall, just possibility to have 
          that (Cor) 
            + would love to have a simplified tool for toolbar editing (Heiko) 
        + it is important how you present that (Cor, Heiko) 
        + overall an interesting idea, easy to implement from the technical 
          point of view (Kendy) 
            + let's think through that a bit until the next meeting 
    * Global shortcuts not appearing in menus (Jay) 
        + no idea (Kendy) 
    * Impress survey (Jay, Heiko) 
       + Proposal
       + issue with translation to Chinese :-) (Heiko) 
       + will start the survey on Friday (Heiko, Jay) 
           + please look & comment if you want to make changes 
    * Underlined letters in drop downs not working (Jay) 
        + remove lines under letters (Kendy) 
    * Praises coming in for the design team (Jay) 
        + "The design devs did the most work ever for the 4.4 release 
          because some blockades were finally broken down and they have 
          a new communication tool where to organize their work." 

        + great work, guys, thank you! :-) (Kendy)