Design/Meetings/2015-01-21

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    Minutes

    Jan 30, 2015; 2:55am Jan Holesovsky-4
    Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-01-21
    * Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Stuart
     
    * Completed Action Items:
        + Kendy: Show the horizontal ruler (but only that) in Writer again
          [done, integrated in time for 4.4.0]
        + Kendy: Talk to Moggi wrt. Context menu entry to edit Conditional
          Formatting
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87357
          [Moggi very busy recently, no UI changes really possible there in
          reasonable future :-(]
        + Jay: Ask what is the plan with the templates on the new Extensions
          site
          [Andreas mailed design@ ML, Jay will respond.]
        + right-clik on the ruler => the check should be radio-button like.
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88417
          [Fixed by Caolan]
     
    * Pending Action Items:
     
        + Jay: Update screenshots on www.libreoffice.org
          [has a couple of them, will send to the marketing-priv ML]
        + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than
          automatic
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001
            + Stuart: Change the default to single page
            + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to "Multipage view" or
              "Multiple page view"
              [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would
              be great to get that to gerrit]
        + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and
          Grammar'
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648
        + Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the
          wiki page that collects changes in menus
        + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental,
          somewhere in the user's profile
        + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
        + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
        + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
        + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as
          a special window
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
     
    * UI changes integrated the last week:
    
        + Hi-DPI changes in the ruler (dbeurle)
        + .ui files improvements - remove misused frames (Adolfo)
        + Show the horizontal ruler (but only that) in Writer again (Kendy)
        + New sifr icons (Matthias)
        + Radio buttons for ruler settings dropdown (Caolán)
     
    * Last week's discussions that need a resolution:
    
        + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/13196/
            + just needs fixes to apply again (Kendy)
            + described how to do that...
    
    * Discussions that need a resolution - resolved items
     
        + Clipboard tools, always expose to context menu or hide when no
          active content? (Jay, Adolfo)
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86850
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84177
            + other applications disable such stuff, instead of hiding (Jay)
            + toolbar & menubars in LO - disable stuff (Jay)
                + similar in the control context menus (e.g. 'Line (Jay)
            + hard for the user to find out about functionality (Kendy)
            + ultimate answer should be in the HIG's :-) (Kendy)
                + KDE HIG's agree with disabling, not hiding (Heiko)
                  https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/ContextMenu
                  "Disable menu items that don't apply to the current
                  context, instead of removing them."
                + Gnome HIG's - ???
    
        + Document preview in open dialog (Jay)
          Adolfo suggest this be a GSoC
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87748
            + good idea for a GSoC task (Kendy)
            + need to double-check the technical feasibility (Kendy)
            + further discussion above in the GSoC section above
    
        + Better term for "soft hyphens"?
          https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/560
            + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_hyphen (Kendy)
                + 'Optional hyphen' in wikipedia redirects to 'Soft hyphen'
                + so seems well defined to me, and better for a native
                  speaker to decide... (Kendy)
            + on Google: 100k hits for "Soft Hyphen", and 17k for "Optional
              Hyphen"
            + OTOH seems that Optional Hyphen might be better understandable
              for non-native speakers (Heiko)
                + German translation is meaningless (Heiko)
            + translators could/should use the correct term in the specific
              language (Jay)
                + and Soft Hyphen sounds good to native speaker
            + conclusion: Let's keep 'soft hyphen'
                + ideal would be to add the wikipedia link as a comment
                  where the term appears, but no idea if that's possible
    
        + Disable object, image, and character toolbars in Impress (Jay, Cor)
          To simply the interface by having just one toolbar above and below
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87676
            + Impress & Draw only (Jay)
            + Impress uses the sidebar much more (and it was traditionally
              so too) (Jay)
            + is it mostly to disable the toolbar, or is more work needed? (Kendy)
                + only about the change of the default (Jay)
            + unfortunately we would lose the possibility to change the
              style first, and then draw (Kendy)
                + like, now it is possible to choose the color, and draw
                  several rectangles with that color etc. (Kendy)
                + this is not possible from the sidebar (Kendy)
     
    * Terribly outdated screenshots on www.libreoffice.org (Jay/Kendy)
     
        + Jay has them, will send to marketing-priv (Jay)
     
    * Icon Updates / Issues
     
        + Tango_testing should be removed from 4.4 (Jay)
            + should be master-only (Jay)
            + sounds good (Kendy)
                + actually according to what I see in configure.ac, it is
                  not in the release builds (Kendy)
        + Hicontrast should be 'High Contrast' (Jay)
            + according to cui/uiconfig/ui/optviewpage.ui, it should be 2
              words (Kendy)
            + maybe some bug? (Kendy)
                + worth testing with the release build (Kendy)
                + indeed, looks like a bug, wrong in 4.3 (Jay)
    
        + Sifr
     
        + Breeze (Jay)
            + https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=123517
            + Wiki with list of icons to design (Riddell)
              https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/LibreOffice_Breeze
            + custom LO icons
              https://github.com/NitruxSA/plasma-next-icons/tree/master/actions/LO_lc_icons_breeze
    
    * Customization Proposal (Heiko)
     
        + https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fPolgF_RyvCYXLIoVaTHkL2ZnaUJkNpIykTWYrDMEY/edit?usp=sharing
       
        + how to involve the users now in the most effective way? (Heiko)
            + survey?  What feedback what do we need / want? (Heiko)
     
        + will publish that on planet.documentfoundation (Heiko)
            + go for that :-) (Kendy)
     
    * UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart)
     
        + lots of good stuff there, we should start digesting that (Stuart)
        + will introduce a similar section to 'discussions that need
          resolution' (Kendy)
            + for things that actually need more people to look at (Kendy)