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Minutes

Mar 12, 2015; 3:36am Jan Holesovsky
Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-02-18
* Present: Cor (bit later), Jay (bit later), Heiko, Ibrahim, Kendy, Mattias
 
* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
 
    + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001
        + Stuart: Change the default to single page
        + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to "Multipage view" or "Multiple page view"
          [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would be great to get that to gerrit]
          AI: Stuart -- figure it out and get it posted.
    + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar'
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648
    + Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the wiki page that collects changes in menus
    + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile
    + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
    + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
    + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
    + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
          + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
            and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128)
     + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
 
* Easy Hacks to be filed:

    + Kendy: The Window's closing button should indeed close the window, not dock the sidebar
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87217
    + Kendy: Do / find someone / easy-hack-ize automatic opening of the Track changes toolbar
      when there are tracked changes
    + Kendy: Check how hard it is to make sidebar honor the icon size setting
    + Kendy: Easy Hack-ize fixing of uno commands that need to be duplicated in Draw and Impress
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84258#c2
    + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for the Hi-contrast Sifr
    + Kendy: Adding 1.15 to the drop down list - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85949
    + Kendy: Research what is needed to do to only disable (not hide) the formula bar in Calc when Chart component
      is activated
    + Kendy: Tell Jay how to fiddle with the default position of toolbars (so that he can tweak the Chart's toolbars)
    + Kendy: Only activate image toolbar when an image is selected - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87362
    + Adolfo: Create easy hacks for the options Design decided to drop since 2012:
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Options/Global
    + Kendy: Should border around an image have no padding by default
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360
 
* GSoC tasks to be filed:

    + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/GenialIdeas
          [styles previews in the sidebar etc.]
        + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc
          https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493
          [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?]
        + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available)
    + Kendy: On-demand / programmatic colorization of the Sifr icons
    + Kendy: Change tracking UI in the document
 
* Change tracking sidebar proposal (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UuZUJYOLPM3_LdW77OSAaUBpDhRg3iHSjo31DTUEEzk
 
    + lots of great discussions how to finalize the sidebar's look (all)
        + looks beautiful :-)
 
    + comment button (Jay)
        + for standard comments - track changes comments are in the ODF focuments only (Jay)
        + does it affect the sidebar design?
 
    + icons for changes (Jay / Heiko)
        + concerned about using icons (Jay)
        + would a tooltip be a solution? (Kendy)
        + many actions - insert / delete / ... (Jay)
            + hopefully could be simple enough (Jay)
            + but a tooltip would be really good (Jay)
        + not necessary to set the icons in stone - possible to change to text if
          the icons do not work (Kendy)
 
* Last week's discussions that need a resolution:
 
    + Residual issues with BZ migration? Heiko not receiving digest subscription of ux-advise
      issues, while those taking all UX-advise seeing issues. (Stuart)
        + bugzilla was not sending the mails; fixed now (Stuart)
        -> is fixed (Heiko)
 
* UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart)
 
    + recurring topic to be used for UX advise bugs that need action
    + keeps piling up, unfortunately (Stuart)
    + everyone should feel empowered to look at that + act (Stuart)
        + but don't want to be a "gatekeeper" :-) (Stuart)
    + for the moment, Stuart will pick 5 for each meeting - the most burning ones (Kendy)
        + and let's see how it develops (Kendy)
 
* Approach to drawing toolbar / sidebar - how to handle the shapes & their color etc.

    + Disable object, image, and character toolbars in Impress (Jay, Cor)
      To simply the interface by having just one toolbar above and below
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87676
        + we would lose the possibility to change the
          style first, and then draw (Kendy)
            + it is different to how it works in Writer - there you have
              no other option than to draw first, and then tweak the
              color (Jay)
        + current way is similar to eg. Inkscape (Mattias)
        + if we used the sidebar more, it would allow more space for the
          slide (Jay)
        + but interaction should be improved there, indeed (Mattias)
        + what about to restructure this a bit more? (Kendy)
            + proposed a sidebar for colors etc. together with shapes to draw (Jay)
              https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87643
              wps draw sidebar - https://vm150.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=111225 

    + Related issues of tdf 88931 - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88931
      rather than hiding specific toolbars, provide ability to toggle all toolbars on/off
    + but what is the usability of a toolbarless draw or impress? (Jay)
    + if we were do it, provide for all modules -- like toggle full screen, users figure it out
    + Hiding the line and filling toolbar
       + Tutorial vids not mentioning its use to change the color before adding it
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJztZr7Ovg&list=PLi4GzliI0ClAdSZ1i02r-QiTCyb2Wa4ie&index=12
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yxgITpnS08&t=1m0s (uses styles)
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMaQdtjhxQM&t=20m34s (user even goes into the dialog to change color)
         https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMlP0yEnyugFogqcxPHzTZXI8p2YO8sO2 (tutorial series not mentioning shapes)
      + Application behaviour
         have to set shape style after insert - Powerpoint 2010, WPS Presenation, Calligra Stage, iWork Keynote
         can set the shape style before insert - Presentations x7 (they have the settings in the shapes toolbar)
           presentation x7 - http://i.imgur.com/XrGBbMt.png
 
    + The "New Styles from Selection" in the Sidebar Styles and Formatting content panel allows efficient creation
      of new styles from objects that have been directly formatting.
      --> Needs to be more prominent (e.g. context menu) (Heiko)
    + Streamline the UI, have a single place for settings. (Jay)
      Hide Object (Line and filing), Image and Character toolbars -- giving a more consistenet UI, too many choices now.
      Use the standard toolbar for a few things, the drawing toolbar for a few--and hide the Line and Filing toolbar.
      would be better to have all direct formatting now available in the sidebar.
      Object creation would be from Standard toolbar or a revamped Drawing toolbar.
    + Alignment, arrangement, distribution, etc. - already on the context menu, so no loss. (Jay)
    + Possibly put alignment, arrangement, etc. into the Drawings toolbar (Jay)
    + Multiple selected objects receive arangement, alignment
      (access via context menu only: Jay, access context menu plus toolbar: Heiko)
 
    + when we have the same behavior for all, fine with the change (Cor)
    + conclusion: go ahead with the change, and let's try how it behaves
        + should be down to changing eg. officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI/ImpressWindowState.xcu
          with Visible true to false