Design/Meetings/2015-10-14

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    Minutes

    Oct 16, 2015; 12:01pm Jan Holesovsky-4
    Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-14
    * Present: Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Samuel
     
    * UI changes integrated the last week:
    
        + Enable auto-numbering by default
           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94994
           + previously enabled, then disabled, and now enabled again
           + I remember - not good in the current state (Kendy)
           + if we want to enable it again, then first let's collect what turns into
             numbering + how it is triggered, and let's go through the use cases there (Kendy)
    AI:    + OK, will revert for now + provide the list (Samuel)
        + remote files related improvements (Szymon)
        + icons recoloring (Tomaž)
        + 32x32 icons for hi-contrast (Andreas)
     
    * Annual report (Jay)
    
        + Sophi asked that we fill in any links to minutes, blog posts, etc.
          http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport
            + more info needed, will ask Sophie (Jay)
        + for the reference, report from the last year:
            + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/4/47/TDF2014AnnualReport.pdf
    
    * Table styles (Kendy)
     
        + would be good to have a Friday session about that (Kendy)
            + already collected stuff in a doc (Jay)
            + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkf9fn79dXJ5tHpc-meMYxaQpj3nV5sEN6u9HOo2GQ/edit?usp=sharing
            + 9th October, 1:00pm CEST / 11:00am UTC (Kendy)
        + more discussion about the proposal (Jay/Heiko/Kendy)
            + afraid of too many elements there (Heiko)
        + will have a follow-up Friday session - to define the general approach to the
         table propeties, style etc. - in the sidebar (Jay/Heiko/Kendy)
            + should we eg. remove the table toolbar (that appears when the cursor gets into a table, etc.)
            + where to put the table styles - to such a sidebar? to styles & formatting?
            + etc.
     
    * Last week's design session (Heiko/Jay)
     
        + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing
            + not published yet
     
    * Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko)
     
        + redmine ticket: https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1505
     
    * Bug discussions
     
        + Scale all objects proportionally by default, not only images?
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71669#c26
            + (see as well bug wrt. proportional scaling with side handles #84953)
            + can check other suites (Jay)
                + Word, WPS, and Calligra all have non-proportional
            + but otherwise people generally happy with the images (keep aspect ratio) vs. shapes (don't keep)
              approach (Cor/Kendy/Samuel)
                + but maybe some more research / checking the use cases might be good
    
    * NotebookBar (Samuel)
     
        + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?h=feature/notebookbar
        + NotebookBar allows to create toolbars with glade (Samuel/Kendy)
            + full control over widgets in the topmost area, defined via a .ui file
        + an optional thing for users (Samuel)
            + menus + toolbars the default
            + Notebookbar an optional thing
                + probably via an option in the View menu
        + long term, will be a source of some Easy Hacks (Samuel)
        + now just laying down the foundations, later more discussion needed (Samuel)
            + can insert new stuff via glade
            + enough to specify the .uno: command, the icon + text is imported from the appropriate
              officecfg xml
        + Screenshot so far: http://i.imgur.com/RUUTiuk.png
        + next (Samuel):
            + more structure needed now (so that it is not one monter .ui file)
            + priorities of widgets - container that hides stuff when the screen size does not fit
            + theming
            + target: 5.2 (earliest)
        + is it already in master? (Jay)
            + in branch so far (Kendy/Samuel)
            + but hidden via an env. variable - so can merge it to master (Samuel)
                + let's merge it then, keep the env. variable (Jay/Kendy)
                    + and the View menu entry when it is more polished
        + keep in mind the HIG (Heiko)
            + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar
            + mentions some future enhancements of toolbars that might be helpful here (Heiko)
                + eg. grouping
                    + possible with Notebookbar
     
    * Help updating (Kendy)
     
        + new patches, would be great to have a new release (Jay)
            + will do (Kendy)
     
        + help-related meta bugs:
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580
        + wikihelp? (Jay)
            + help proposal
              https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MULCsm8gD-QPv-W1LbHBynnY0eD16Q6uXsrzpgfJdvQ/edit?usp=sharing
                + idea to use xml editor (Kendy)
                + steps needed:
                    + hooks on help.libreoffice.org redirecting to editable page
                    + per-user session - own git checkout
                    + some way of editing - either the xml help or the xml <-> html mapping
                    + commit creation in the git + push to gerrit
                + overall - like the idea to have some infra on top of the current help,
                  easier than the entire editable wiki (Kendy)
     
    * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
    
        + Should svgs be stored in repo and pngs created at build time (Samuel)
            + let's not do that (Kendy)
                + inkscape need several seconds per image, and we have ~1000 images per theme
                + such pngs are not optimized, optipng needs another tens of seconds
     
        + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay)
            + Samuel will look at one of them
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866
                + easiest solution: eg. for tango, during build concat tango + galaxy links.txt, and
                  put to images_tango.zip
                + one shared links.txt is probably not possible (Jay/Samuel)
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91565
              tango - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=115945
              galaxy - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119516
     
        + Sifr & breeze for dark themes
            + bug report created (Jay)
              https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94632
            + Tomaž pushed the algorithm to create them to master (Tomaž)
                + screenshot - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119614
     
        + Elementary icon theme added to git by Bjoern (Jay)
            + but not enabled by default
            + images_human.zip to be placed in /opt/libreofficedev5.1/share/config/
               https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qJrVIa0SAlTjBkSlJOY01RV3M/view?usp=sharing
            + Human theme in Ubuntu outdated (Jay)
     
        + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
            + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
              https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
     
        + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
            + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
              https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
     
        + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
            + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
              https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
            + Cleaning all duplicates and putting in links.txt (Andreas)
     
        + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
            + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
            + Integrating it into the options dialog - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95014
     
    * Next Friday's design session (Heiko/Jay)
     
        + Friday session this week (Oct/16)
            + 1:00pm CEST / 11:00am UTC
            + Table styles continued
     
        + List of possible future topics
            + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing