Design/Meetings/2022-03-02

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    https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2022/msg00027.html

    Minutes

    Present: Hossein, Bogdan, Ruediger, Heiko
Comments: Regina, Mike, Cor, Stuart, Harald, Seth

Tickets/Topics

 * Paragraph format: Inconsistent display in space between paragraphs
   for area fill
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108600
   + margin is (per definition) _always_ transparent (Regina)
   + if the attributes of one paragraph continue on the next the margin
     will be filled
   + perhaps add a property similar to the new "BackgroundFullSize" (Mike)
   + changing the behavior could break the layout for existing documents
   + to continue attributes the border can be used instead of spacing (Heiko)
   => recommend to streamline and always use transparent (perhaps with
      an expert or compatibility option for legacy documents)

 * Allow cross-references to bookmarks to show the line number
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146905
   + unclear use case, references to numbered paragraphs seems enough
   + never heard about references to line numbers in other
     office programs (Hossein)
   + the request is to _show_ the line number (Ruediger)
   + use case is apparently to have a link to a particular line
   + or technical documents like source code where a particular line is
     to be referenced (Bogdan)
     + but source code would be numbered code lines, which is paragraphs (Heiko)
   + lines are not numbered (the annotation is some decoration) and referencing
     is difficult; unclear whether line within a page or the document
   + still, the recommended workflow is to use numbered paragraphs
     (and keep those short) (Heiko)
   + (auto) bookmarks per macro might help (Hossein)
   => WF

 * CROSS-REFERENCE: Give warning, if you delete a target of a cross-reference
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141747
   + Internet recommends to search for "Reference source not found"
     + update not reliable though
   + only acceptable workflow is to immediately show an infobar (or
     and other non-interrupting) message and hide it once the reference
     is back (eg. after cut/paste)
   + this might be a performance issue
   + if reference and source are far away from each other the information
     might not be helpful; you pbl. have to clean up the broken reference
     somewhere else- and jumping around in the document is unwanted (Ruediger)
   + heavy editing potentially produces a large number of warnings
   + problem when user not hides the info, or when it comes up too often
   + double-check whether competitors do show such a warning (Hossein, Bogdan)
   => decide later

 * Search and Replace
   + Regression tdf#117173 caused with this commit
     DIALOG: Improvements to the Find & Replace dialog.
     https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/beeef9
     + The good: It has provided improvements to the "Find and Replace" dialog.
     + The bad: It created a regression in accessibility
     + Number of found/replaced items no longer announced by
       screen reader: NVDA, etc
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117173
   + Possible solutions:
     1) Exposing this text to the screen readers
     2) Going back to the popup
        + Popup is useful for announcing important information
        + It is understood by the screen readers
        + It is used in MS  Word, from Office 97 to Office 2019
        + Gerrit submission: tdf#117173 Add popup for # of items found/replaced
          https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/129649
  => discussed, go ahead!

 * UI Indicate change tracked formatting changes in readable format
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143922
   + what additional info needs to be shown
   + in case of formatting changes the actual attributes should be shown
     in the comment likewise done for deletions
   => do it

 * “Create Style” Dialogue Does not Work Correctly if Opened via
   Menu or Toolbar: (often/always) shows other styles than the
   'own styles', sometimes inactive when it shouldn't ..
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126352
   + function started from sidebar/stylist creates PS, CS or LS depending
     on what tab is open and if the selection is a list;
   + the dialog lists user-defined PS/LS
   + running from the main menu creates always PS
   + has been improved by renaming to "New Style From Selection" (Cor)
   + odd behavior in some workflows (Stuart)
   + allow users to chose the stylefamily (Harald)
   + same problem, working only on PS, for new/update/edit,
     see bug 107120 (Seth)
   => no further input, just summarize
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