Design/Meetings/2023-11-22

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    https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00127.html

    Minutes

    Present: Maija, Sahil, Julia, Eyal, John, Cor, Heiko
    Comments: LeroyG, Mike, Ady, Rafael, Werner, Tomaz, Csongor
    
    Tickets/Topics
    
     * Conducting a survey around LibreOffice
       + How often would you accept a nag screen?
       + Would you appreciate a welcome screen with some initial questions?
       + ...
       + to bring the results into something actionable is challenging
         but expected by the participants (Cor)
    
     * Inconsistent behavior of "New style from selection" in Styles list
       and Styles menu
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151563
       + works as expected in the Stylist but not anywhere else
       + add the "paragraph" to the string, at least (LeroyG)
       + alternative commands for every individual style (Mike)
       + not obvious that the command uno:StyleNewByExample is needed
         in menu/toolbar/shortcut (Eyal)
         + not so important (Cor, John)
       + drop customizability and access in the UI except the Stylist (Heiko)
         + drawback is that one needs to activate the Stylist
         + extra UNO commands would be needed for the Notebookbars too (John)
       + change just the title for now (Cor, Eyal)
       + PS can be added by directly adding the name to the styles toolbar
         control and we could provide an analogue control for CS (Cor)
       => change command title
    
    
     * add UNO command for Hidden font effect of characters in Writer
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158168
       + easy to customize via user-defined character style (Heiko)
       + disagree since it means to multiply CS (Eyal)
       + suggest to add it as DF (Eyal, John)
       + depending on the use case it be necessary to add the attribute
         on top of any format; example workflow is to have words in different
         language next to each other and hide one or the other (Cor)
       + but tend to agree with WF/NAB (Cor)
       => add UNO command (but dont show on the UI by default)
    
     * Sidebar pane shortcuts conflict with Alt+NumPad input
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158112
       + alt+num code is used to insert characters not on the keyboard (Ady)
       + make it depending on the OS/DE (Eyal)
       + use alt+shift+<num> (Heiko)
         + Acceptable (Eyal)
       + remove shortcuts, or make it so users can customize it
         + no so good (Eyal)
       + involve a11y into the discussion (Eyal)
       + ctrl+alt+<num> is available for customization!
       => comment
    
     * Add 'shuffle' or 'random' option to 'Sort' dialog
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158196
       + functionality not available in Excel too
       + agree to the need for UNO command to shuffling cell range,
         rows, columns (Rafael)
       + better suited for Sheet > Fill Cells (Werner)
         + definitely not (Tomaz)
       + frequently needed; best suited for the sort dialog as another
         option after ascending/descending (Csongor)
       + wonder if randomization needs to have a start value to get
         the same result repeatedly (Eyal)
         + should not (Cor)
       + expect it as extra command under Data among Sort (John)
       + bloats the dialog (Cor)
       + would rather like to see it in the dialog; would be more
         visible (Eyal)
       + hard to wrap the mind around sort first by col A, the
         by random B, and finally by C (Heiko)
       => UNO command might be the best choice

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