Design/Meetings/2013-06-22
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Cast (in order of appearance)
- Enervation
- mirek2
- astron
Topics
- Impress Remote for Android
- Sifr/Symbolic theme
Log
[18:40] <astron247> hi [18:40] <@Enervation_> hi astron [18:40] <mirek2> hi [18:41] <mirek2> looking through the notes you posted [18:41] <mirek2> what is Sifr? [18:42] <astron247> issa's flat theme [18:43] <astron247> its the arabic word for zero apparently [18:43] <astron247> but now i know why i found the name weird [18:43] <astron247> i knew this before: http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr [18:44] <mirek2> oh ok [18:45] <astron247> what do you think about the name (quickly)? [18:45] <mirek2> I'd prefer to stick to Gnome Symbolic [18:46] <mirek2> or just Symbolic [18:46] <mirek2> as it builds on that [18:47] <mirek2> "LibreOffice Symbolic", perhaps [18:48] <astron247> ok [18:48] <astron247> we should probably tell issa -- i think id like "symbolic" better, too [18:49] <astron247> but if issa still wants, he can use the arabic word for it [18:49] <mirek2> sounds good [18:49] <mirek2> it is his, after all [18:50] <mirek2> will you email him? [18:51] <astron247> ok. will do now. [18:51] <astron247> (i can do this on-list, right?) [18:51] <mirek2> sure [18:51] <mirek2> any topics you'd like to cover today? [18:53] <astron247> ok. hum. [18:53] <astron247> whats happened in the past week..? [18:53] <astron247> on our list, etc.? [18:55] <mirek2> michael chimed in with his thoughts on the impress remote [18:56] <mirek2> and someone wrote in about styles [18:57] <astron247> yep. right [18:57] <mirek2> (wasn't this week, but we didn't cover it yet) [18:57] <astron247> oh, and just today kracked-p-p told us about aoo in the google play store [18:58] <mirek2> right [18:58] <astron247> but ok, michaels ideas about the impress remote are maybe the thing to discuss... [18:58] <mirek2> astron247: ok [18:59] <astron247> so, he seems to want to disregard the whole "you may have multiple computers or a public computer" idea, it seems to me? [19:00] <mirek2> hm...I agree with him that the experience should be smooth [19:02] <astron247> right. but the problem with enabling bluetooth automatically & in-app was one of regarding the android HIG [19:03] <astron247> and theoretically, the connexions to pcs should be permanent (in my light testing that wasnt always the case) [19:04] <mirek2> where in the HIG? [19:06] <mirek2> I haven't tested the app yet, so I don't quite know how it works now [19:06] <astron247> cant point you to it, but i know andrzej mentioned it [19:06] <astron247> ill try to find it [19:11] <mirek2> I like the idea of automatically connecting to a certain computer [19:12] <mirek2> and offering other PCs as a secondary option [19:13] <mirek2> (same workflow as network connection) [19:14] <astron247> hum, ... http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/bluetooth.html#SettingUp [19:14] <astron247> they do seem to provide apis for it... [19:16] <mirek2> if bluetooth isnt on, the app could present a big "turn bluetooth on" button on the bluetooth screen [19:17] <mirek2> I agree that turning on wifi or bluetooth without permission would be too intrusive [19:18] <astron247> sure, but with the big button you always have two taps [19:18] <astron247> (one on the button, one for confirmation) [19:19] <mirek2> could we escape the confirmation? [19:20] * astron247 is not a developer [19:21] <mirek2> :) [19:21] <mirek2> if not, then show the dialog first [19:22] <mirek2> keep the button there, though, if the user declines [19:22] <astron247> well, we probably have two tabs (bt & wifi) [19:23] <mirek2> yup [19:23] <astron247> so, either could have a big "enable x" button on it, if said functionality is not on [19:23] <mirek2> yes, that's what I meant [19:24] <astron247> maybe we could even switch to the wifi tab automatically if the user declines the bt enablement request [19:24] <mirek2> yes, that too [19:25] <astron247> wifi is probably enabled on most phones permanently (i turn it off to save battery -- but generally chances should run high) [19:25] <mirek2> right [19:28] <astron247> ok. [19:28] <astron247> so, what do we do about public pcs? [19:28] <astron247> i guess the most important thing is to enable people to easily decouple a phone from the pc..? [19:29] <mirek2> not owning a mobile device, I don't use Bluetooth [19:33] <mirek2> I could imagine parallels with wifi [19:33] <mirek2> in which case it's the owner's responsibility to protect the connection [19:34] <mirek2> but, yes, it should be easy to decouple a device [19:34] <astron247> "not owning a mobile device" -- you mean you dont have a phone anymore? [19:35] <mirek2> I haven't had a cell phone for years [19:36] <mirek2> perhaps it could be harder to couple a device, though [19:36] <mirek2> to couple it permanently, I mean [19:36] <astron247> well, bt is always a mystery to me. [19:37] <astron247> so, ostensibly, the connexions are permanent, but half the time that does not work so well; so i decouple and recouple [19:37] <mirek2> :) [19:38] <astron247> i also never got bt to work on windows. i ended up feeling pretty stupid there. [19:40] <mirek2> I imagine having an extra layer of security on the computer when connecting permanently -- a user password prompt [19:40] <astron247> anyway, when coupling a device, i would propose showing a notification bar that asks if the phone should remain coupled forever or jsut for this one session [19:41] <astron247> if the user doesnt choose anything, libo should just unpair when the software is closed [19:41] <mirek2> how about a checkbox before connecting? [19:42] <mirek2> (similar to "Stay signed in") [19:43] <astron247> uhm... let me check. [19:43] <mirek2> and if "Connect automatically" is checked, we should ask for a password [19:45] <mirek2> (I'm talking about the PC side of things, of course) [19:46] <astron247> ok [19:47] <astron247> so, the whole connexion dialog on linux is native (i.e. its shown by gnome shell) [19:47] <astron247> so, no way to add a checkbox [19:49] <mirek2> what about the Impress remote dialog? [19:49] <mirek2> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/78/GSoC-2013-Impress-3.-Connection-pairing.png [19:49] <astron247> native too [19:50] <mirek2> really? [19:52] <astron247> sorry no [19:52] <astron247> that thing is currently a complete deadweight [19:52] <astron247> if it shows up at all, it will render you unable to even close libreoffice [19:53] <astron247> (although the latter bug seems to have been fixed) [19:53] <astron247> but then, it does not show up [19:54] <mirek2> I assume by the new mockups that it will make a comeback, right? [19:54] <astron247> well, hopefully -- we need it [19:56] <mirek2> right [19:57] <astron247> hm. in my 4.0 build from opensuse this menu item is not present [19:57] <astron247> (in my 4.2 master build it is) [19:58] <mirek2> its not in the stable release, I believe [19:58] <astron247> ok, but it has been in master for some time... [19:59] <mirek2> I guess there are plans to fix it [20:00] <astron247> uhm, enervation was the guy working on the ios remote? [20:01] <mirek2> really? [20:05] <mirek2> Siqi Liu is working on that [20:05] <mirek2> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/GSOC-Introduction-Implementation-of-an-iOS-remote-control-for-LibreOffice-td4058186.html [20:07] <astron247> that was a question only [20:07] <mirek2> oh, ok [20:08] <astron247> ok. [20:09] <mirek2> have we agreed on the connection workflow? [20:10] <astron247> hm, mostly, i think [20:10] <mirek2> ok [20:13] <astron247> do you want to work on this? [20:13] <astron247> (mocking it up?) [20:13] <mirek2> perhaps you could update your proposal, write a reply to Michael, and if I disagree with anything, I'll just write a reply? [20:13] <mirek2> no [20:14] <astron247> ok. [20:15] <astron247> (i may not have understood it all...) [20:17] <astron247> but, essentially you said that you did not want to work on the impress remote? [20:17] <mirek2> no [20:18] <astron247> and you mean "no" in the sense of "i dont want to work on it"? [20:19] <mirek2> no, not what I meant [20:19] <astron247> ok [20:20] <mirek2> I meant that, since you already have a proposal started, ... [20:20] <mirek2> ... you could add your thoughts on connection there [20:21] <astron247> well its not much of a thought out proposal and i made it some time ago ... [20:22] <mirek2> that's fine [20:22] <mirek2> you can always refine it as you go [20:23] <mirek2> I'd chime in on the ml if I disagree with anything [20:24] <mirek2> and hopefully we can reach an agreement with Ming on this [20:24] <mirek2> on the list [20:26] <mirek2> I'd prefer to keep the mockups to him [20:27] <mirek2> (just realized that I somehow didn't read "do you want to work on this?") [20:28] <mirek2> (now things make more sense to me) [20:28] <astron247> ok [20:31] <mirek2> does that sound ok? [20:31] <astron247> right [20:31] <astron247> whos ming? [20:32] <mirek2> Artur Dryomov uses the name Ming on the wiki [20:32] <astron247> oh, didnt notice [20:33] <mirek2> so you'll update the wiki and send the email? [20:35] <astron247> update the wiki with my ideas? [20:36] <mirek2> on the connection workflow, at least [20:37] <mirek2> what you gathered from today and any other ideas you might have [20:39] <astron247> ok. will do [20:39] <mirek2> thanks [20:40] <mirek2> other topics to cover? [20:40] <astron247> not at this point & not without issa, i think [20:40] <astron247> (i had some comments on the sifr theme) [20:41] <mirek2> ok [20:41] <mirek2> do you want to post the log? [20:41] <astron247> finish for today [20:43] <mirek2> yup [20:44] <astron247> i dont mind. i can post it [20:44] <astron247> well, then bye for today [20:45] <mirek2> ok, thanks [20:45] <mirek2> bye [20:46] <@Enervation_> bye [20:46] <mirek2> bye