Design/Meetings/2013-08-17

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Attendees

  • elixir
  • mirek2
  • SteveBell

Topics

  • Color picker
  • Symbolic icons
  • Toolbar justification

Log

[17:07] <SteveBell> hi guys
[17:07] <mirek2> hi there
[17:08] <SteveBell> I've read that some UI elements are being redesigned in the process of GSoC
[17:08] <SteveBell> on OS X, when right clicking menu bars it would be standard behavior to allow the following: http://cl.ly/image/08383p3J1h0w
[17:09] <SteveBell> is that possible for LO? on a right-click e.g. in writer nothing at all happens
[17:09] <SteveBell> sry german screenshot
[17:09] <SteveBell> basically says: symbol & text | only symbols | only text
[17:10] <SteveBell> mirek2: is that even worth creating a ticket?
[17:10] <SteveBell> or not useful?
[17:10] <SteveBell> and how is the color picker coming along? just noticed 4.2 master build still has the old color picker
[17:10] <SteveBell> mirek2 do you happen to know how I can switch to the flat icon set in master build?
[17:11] <mirek2> the color picker isn't being worked on
[17:11] <SteveBell> can't find that optino in LO
[17:11] <mirek2> the flat icon set isn't included with LO yet
[17:11] <SteveBell> oh really? was there a hickup? the drafts look great
[17:11] <SteveBell> really? emir sari told me he's using the flat icon set in master build on os x
[17:12] <SteveBell> what's keeping the color picker from moving on? dev team? or is this still on teh design departments side?
[17:12] <mirek2> I think you have to set the icon set up yourself
[17:12] <mirek2> here's a guide for Ubuntu: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/06/try-new-libreoffice-flat-icon-set.html
[17:12] <SteveBell> "Just download the master build, and select the Sifr icon set. :)) "
[17:12] <SteveBell> was what he wrote to me
[17:12] <mirek2> oh, ok
[17:13] <mirek2> you're probably right
[17:13] <mirek2> I don't have the master build
[17:13] <mirek2> where did you get the master from, btw?
[17:14] <SteveBell> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/
[17:14] <SteveBell> choose master
[17:14] <SteveBell> etc pp
[17:15] <mirek2> sorry, took me a while to find the only non-empty Mac folder
[17:16] <SteveBell> ah sry this? http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/MacOSX-X86_64@43/
[17:16] <SteveBell> didn#t know you where on OS X as well
[17:16] <mirek2> I'm not
[17:16] <mirek2> I was just looking through the folders
[17:17] <mirek2> unfortunately, it seems like there's no build for Ubuntu, which is what I'm on...
[17:17] <mirek2> so I can't really help you there
[17:17] <mirek2> (until I switch to Fedora)
[17:17] <SteveBell> no problem. already wrote to emir. maybe he can hint me in the right direction.
[17:17] <SteveBell> so the icons will be coming?
[17:17] <mirek2> the set might be called "Symbolic"
[17:17] <mirek2> instead of Sifr
[17:17] <SteveBell> just call it flat
[17:18] <SteveBell> that's what it is
[17:18] <mirek2> (it was renamed)
[17:18] <SteveBell> Sifr isn't helpful to anybody
[17:18] <mirek2> the reason why it's called Symbolic is because it's an extension of Gnome's Symbolic icon set
[17:18] <SteveBell> ok, whatever just name it to sth users can make sth of :)
[17:18] <SteveBell> ah ok
[17:18] <SteveBell> will it be in 4.2?
[17:19] <mirek2> I don't know...
[17:19] <mirek2> probably not
[17:19] <mirek2> as it's far from being complete
[17:20] <SteveBell> can't really see how far it is from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set
[17:20] <mirek2> a lot of icons are missing
[17:20] <SteveBell> ah damn it.
[17:20] <mirek2> Libo has hundreds of icons
[17:20] <SteveBell> y sure
[17:21] <SteveBell> and at which state is the color picker stuck?
[17:21] <SteveBell> the drafts look so good
[17:21] <mirek2> as for the color picker, it was never worked on
[17:21] <SteveBell> I thought it was just for the devs to start implementing
[17:21] <mirek2> we hoped it would get picked up for the GSoC
[17:21] <SteveBell> what's missing?
[17:21] <mirek2> devs :)
[17:21] <SteveBell> ah ok. I'll bring that up with QA
[17:21] <mirek2> now we're trying a step-by-step approach
[17:22] <SteveBell> what does that look like?
[17:22] <mirek2> already have two proposed easyhacks for the picker
[17:22] <SteveBell> in FDO?
[17:22] <SteveBell> ah ok
[17:22] <mirek2> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Blueprints
[17:22] <mirek2> whoops, forgot to add the more important one
[17:23] <mirek2> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67995
[17:23] <SteveBell> is there a wiki page for the 12-column layout?
[17:24] <mirek2> SteveBell: no, but it doesn't need one
[17:24] <mirek2> it's pretty straightforward, and there's a screenshot of it in the bug report
[17:25] <SteveBell> ah ok
[17:25] <SteveBell> maybe this even can be cherry picket?
[17:25] <SteveBell> picked
[17:26] <SteveBell> ok I'll ask in QA if they can raise the color picker in the devs awareness
[17:26] <mirek2> sounds good
[17:26] <SteveBell> hope this can be made real soon. doesn#t look like that big of a deal
[17:27] <SteveBell> ok, have to run. sorry I'm always just annoying and not contributing anything real.
[17:27] <SteveBell> but maybe if we can communicate a little more between the departement that will spead up things
[17:27] <mirek2> SteveBell: not true -- I'm glad you came
[17:27] <mirek2> SteveBell: yeah, let's hope so
[17:28] <mirek2> alright, see you
[17:28] <SteveBell> ok, happy to know you're not annoyed. :)
[17:28] <SteveBell> have a nice evening!
[17:50] <SteveBell> mirek2 just FYI: flat icons are in the master build. yey :)
[17:50] <SteveBell> preferences > view > icons
[17:50] <mirek2> ok, good to know :)
[17:50] <SteveBell> looking great
[17:50] <mirek2> btw, if you're still on Diaspora, please share the new icon post
[17:51] <mirek2> this one: https://diasp.eu/posts/1187600
[17:56] <elixir> mirek2: Hi
[17:56] <mirek2> hello
[17:56] <mirek2> any news from your monday meetup with kendy?
[17:56] <elixir> Sorry went for dinner.
[17:57] <SteveBell> mirek2 will do. thanks for using diaspora :)
[17:57] <mirek2> SteveBell: thanks :)
[17:57] <mirek2> elixir: that's ok
[17:58] <elixir> So, I acquainted him about the discussed things and he told me that he'd come up with some ideas that is good and relevant with discussion.
[17:58] <elixir> And currently I am on with the other task
[17:58] <elixir> The toolbar alignment thing.
[17:58] <mirek2> ok, great
[17:59] <elixir> Yes, I think we'd first finish this  task completely then move on with the hidden one!
[17:59] <elixir> They both must have equal priorities, right? ;-)
[18:00] <mirek2> right
[18:00] <elixir> Ok.
[18:00] <mirek2> how is the toolbar alignment coming along
[18:01] <mirek2> any questions you'd like to ask me?
[18:02] <mirek2> about anything
[18:02] <elixir> Its like- when the items don't overflow - (i.e. when th >> is not needed) then - If there are two toolbars, one is left aligned and the other is right-aligned
[18:02] <elixir> If there are 3 toolbars in the same row, one is left, one is centred and the last one is right aligned
[18:02] <elixir> and so on..
[18:03] <elixir> The spaces left in the row would be dynamically calculated and would be distributed accordingly.
[18:03] <mirek2> don't think of them as left/center/right aligned...
[18:03] <mirek2> they're all left-aligned, but they have flexible spaces between them
[18:04] <mirek2> so they spread across the toolbar row evenly
[18:04] <mirek2> yes, the spaces are dynamiclly calculated and distributed accordingly
[18:05] <mirek2> (it's just like when you justify text)
[18:05] <elixir> Implementation looks around the same ..so we are aiming to achieve something like that, just per toolbar, not per-item
[18:06] <mirek2> ok...
[18:06] <elixir> :-)
[18:06] <mirek2> how would the toolbar spaces be set, then?
[18:07] <mirek2> i.e. if I wanted to justify one row and not another, how would I set that up?
[18:07] <mirek2> would it be a per-row setting?
[18:08] <elixir> Whether there'd be flexible spaces or not (as a part of toolbar itself), I 'm not sure of... But as far as kendy told me till now, it's like - *the leftover space* in the current row of toolbar - this would be disributed evenly.
[18:09] <mirek2> so it would be a toolbar setting?
[18:09] <mirek2> what if you have a toolbar set as "justified" and one set as "not justified" on the same row?
[18:09] <elixir> Yes, it would be toolbar setting, but I am not sure if it is per row.
[18:09] <elixir> May be kendy thinks the same way but as the 2nd step after I finish this one
[18:10] <elixir> He hasn't told me it yet
[18:10] <mirek2> it's a boolean setting? justified vs. non-justified?
[18:10] <elixir> No..
[18:11] <elixir> All the horizontal toolbars would be set dynamically..
[18:11] <elixir> And not based on their absolute position.
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[18:11] <elixir> kendy- around?
[18:11] <mirek2> elixir: set dynamically? what do you mean?
[18:12] <elixir> Means - in a way, automatically calculated and set.
[18:12] <elixir> I'll give you an example
[18:12] <elixir> 2 mins
[18:13] <mirek2> I meant, what does that mean in terms of this toolbar justification?
[18:14] <elixir> If there are 3 toolbars T1, T2 and T3. The leftover space = (container_width - T1 -T2 - T3) would then be uniformly distributed between T1/T2 and T2/T3
[18:14] <elixir> So, T1 *looks like* left aligned, T2 looks like centred and T3 - right
[18:14] <mirek2> yes, I understand that
[18:15] <elixir> Ok.
[18:15] <mirek2> but I don't understand how the justification is set
[18:15] <mirek2> if it's a per toolbar setting, what happens when you have a toolbar set as "justified" and one set as "not justified" on the same row?
[18:16] <mirek2> or is it a setting of "include a flexible space before toolbar"?
[18:17] <elixir> We are not in a provision of providing any more options of justification..
[18:17] <elixir> Its like- number of toolbars in the row would automatically decide which toolbar is left/rt/cenre aligned
[18:18] <elixir> By this- I meant dynamically aligned.
[18:18] <mirek2> so, hold on
[18:18] <elixir> yes..
[18:18] <mirek2> there's no way to have toolbars side-by-side, left-aligned, like toolbars behave now?
[18:18] <mirek2> you're getting rid of that behavior?
[18:19] <elixir> I think yes.. or may be there would be a second step after I implement this one... kendy didn't acquaint me with it yet!
[18:19] <mirek2> ok
[18:20] <mirek2> I'd hate for the old behavior to be gotten rid of
[18:20] <elixir> Sorry, but I can implement something - may be you and kendy decide what could be the best to implement :)
[18:21] <mirek2> yeah, I'll need to meet with him :)
[18:21] <elixir> Yes, I'll ask him too to discuss it with you :)
[18:23] <mirek2> that's ok -- I'll write him an e-mail
[18:23] <elixir> Or, maybe we can have an option - Toolbars automatically aligned -Yes/No - If yes, it'll behave like the one that is getting implemented. If No, it'll behave like it does currently
[18:24] <mirek2> I'd be more in favor of a more granular setting
[18:24] <mirek2> I'll discuss it with Kendy
[18:24] <elixir> Ok.