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Minutes
Oct 16, 2014; 4:37am Jan Holesovsky-4
Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15
* Present: Heiko, Hillar, Jay, Kendy, Samuel, Steve
* Completed Action Items:
+ 'More Options' for insert table, 'More Fields' for insert field
and 'More Styles' for styles drop down
* Pending Action Items:
+ Samuel: Create an easy hack - describe what tables should be
striped, and how to do that in the code
+ Kendy: Find somebody to transfer articles from redmine wiki to TDF
* UI changes integrated the last week (Samuel):
+ [last week] Changed the Insert Field button to dropdown-only:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84550
+ Do we want a split button?
+ originally opened the dialog
+ then changed that the default action inserted the page
number
+ comes from the Insert toolbar update - where he was
creating group buttons (Jay)
+ probably the situation is here a bit different - the
functionality more distributed (Samuel)
+ stats: insert page number 50%, date 15%, More... 15%,
page count 10%, time 5%
+ now similar to the table - changed to just drop down only
+ like that it is similar to the table (Kendy)
+ problem with the icon
+ not descriptive (Jay)
+ not an issue to have the Page icon, if that's the most
used functionality anyway, and then have it first in
the list (Kendy)
AI + Conclusion: Update the icon, and keep the dropdown (Jay)
+ [last week] Styles dropdown
+ Previews the background color too now
+ Changes font color when it's too close to the background color
+ Flat menu button - just the triangle is shown, button on
mouse-over
+ should styles also show text alignment, as it would be useful
when the drop down is added to the sidebar? (Jay)
+ tricky question :-)
+ it is a small dropdown - so wouldn't be much visible (Samuel)
+ punt after it's in the sidebar? (Jay)
+ sounds it could be usable (Heiko)
+ Conclusion: Will not block a patch for that if somebody
implements this - but not a priority for the moment
+ [last week] Styles+Formatting floating dialog removed, will now
always open in the Sidebar (as the Gallery)
+ what happens when when the sidebar is not visible? (Kendy)
+ it will open the sidebar (Samuel)
+ there's a small bug if you hide the sidebar a special way,
then it will not show up (Samuel)
+ but bug filed (Jay)
+ [this week] hiding of paragraph level background color button in
formatting toolbar (Jay)
+ Jay hid it in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=affe79b5a920a2aa0bc284e918c96aa0379c5efb
and Kendy enabled it in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=bb29c5723a6053476b6f398c8550b2a839aa07fc
+ reasoning for its hiding
+ most users do not set paragraph level background color, as
it colors more than the space taken up by characters
+ users will be confused between character background color
(aka highlight) and paragraph background color (aka
background color)
+ other word processors that dont have paragraph color in
toolbar/sidebar - iwork pages, abiword, wps/kingsoft
writer, calligra words, wordperfect, ms word 2003, google
docs
+ most S/W don't have the func to set the paragraph color
that anyway (Jay)
+ confusing - 3 buttons; what each of them does? (Jay)
+ it is wrongly labeled - it's a paragraph color (Jay)
+ the highlighting is confusing too - it is not what Word
has as the 'Highlight' feature (Kendy)
+ concern about hiding functionality - if it is used, we'll
get fire ;-) (Kendy)
+ it aligns better with the 1st row of buttons when hidden (Jay)
+ looks better
+ http://i.imgur.com/keUX5SK.png vs. http://i.imgur.com/8IMHRzp.png
AI + Conclusion: Kendy will try to see how hard it is to turn
the 3 spacing buttons to 1 dropdown, keep the background
color for now, and measure.
+ there is a drop-down already in the sidebar (Samuel)
+ good, will try to re-use that (Kendy)
AI + Heiko: File a bug about better description of tooltip (sidebar - spacing).
+ "Increase Spacing" should be "Increase Paragraph Spacing",
same for decrease
* Removal of cut, copy, paste buttons from writer's standard toolbar (Jay)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84909
+ No way before we measure this ;-) (Kendy)
+ in MSO, Paste is the biggest + most prominent button in Word,
I bet they have a reason for that (yes it is a large icon to
show emphasis, as paste is the number one used function in any
word processor)
+ Yet again, the need for a combination of big+small
toolbars arises (there was a GSoC project
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Development%2FGSoC%2FIdeas&diff=89030&oldid=88966 ),
why was it removed? (Adolfo)
+ please note that the https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Tracking_results
are for Impress, not Writer. (it is for all modules Kendy :D)
+ iWork Pages and all macOS applications don't have cut, copy, and
paste buttons in toolbars
+ People that agree with this proposal: Mirek, Daniel, Samuel,
Heiko, Tor, Astron, iplaw67, mjayfrancis
+ People that oppose: Jean-Baptiste Faure, Adolfo Jayme, Cor Nouws,
Cassandra Freund
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77261
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/3?r=60#message-60
+ Heiko can run a survey - old vs. new toolbar
+ problem with the interaction (Jay)
+ easily doable (Samuel)
+ question can be "what do you use", but also "what is
acceptable to you" (Heiko)
+ or "do you agree with removal of this or that" (Heiko)
+ Heiko + Jay will propose questions to ask in the survey
+ pasting as unformatted text is very helpful (Samuel)
+ one of the options is to remove the cut and copy, but
leave paste (Samuel)
+ I like this proposal! (Kendy)
AI + Conclusion: Heiko + Jay will come up with a set of questions for
the survey, and we'll review it at the next meeting
* Collecting the user information (Kendy)
+ prototype: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=35da89fa1428f5286304fc707252242554d49ea6
+ data collection
+ see what / how Mozilla is doing it
+ hopefully we could re-use the code of the server part?
+ http://blog.mozilla.org/metrics/2011/08/25/do-90-of-people-not-use-ctrlf/
+ https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/
+ no real progress since the last time, Kendy busy