Design/Meetings/2014-10-15

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    Minutes

    Oct 16, 2014; 4:37am Jan Holesovsky-4
    Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-10-15
    
    * Present: Heiko, Hillar, Jay, Kendy, Samuel, Steve
     
    * Completed Action Items:
     
        + 'More Options' for insert table, 'More Fields' for insert field
          and 'More Styles' for styles drop down
     
    * Pending Action Items:
     
        + Samuel: Create an easy hack - describe what tables should be
          striped, and how to do that in the code
        + Kendy: Find somebody to transfer articles from redmine wiki to TDF
     
    * UI changes integrated the last week (Samuel):
     
        + [last week] Changed the Insert Field button to dropdown-only:
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84550
    
            + Do we want a split button?
                + originally opened the dialog
                + then changed that the default action inserted the page
                  number
                    + comes from the Insert toolbar update - where he was
                      creating group buttons (Jay)
                    + probably the situation is here a bit different - the
                      functionality more distributed (Samuel)
                    + stats: insert page number 50%, date 15%, More... 15%,
                      page count 10%, time 5%
                + now similar to the table - changed to just drop down only
                    + like that it is similar to the table (Kendy)
                + problem with the icon
                    + not descriptive (Jay)
                    + not an issue to have the Page icon, if that's the most
                      used functionality anyway, and then have it first in
                      the list (Kendy)
    
    AI          + Conclusion: Update the icon, and keep the dropdown (Jay)
    
        + [last week] Styles dropdown
    
            + Previews the background color too now
            + Changes font color when it's too close to the background color
            + Flat menu button - just the triangle is shown, button on
              mouse-over
            + should styles also show text alignment, as it would be useful
              when the drop down is added to the sidebar? (Jay)
                + tricky question :-)
                + it is a small dropdown - so wouldn't be much visible (Samuel)
                + punt after it's in the sidebar? (Jay)
                + sounds it could be usable (Heiko)
    
                + Conclusion: Will not block a patch for that if somebody
                  implements this - but not a priority for the moment
    
        + [last week] Styles+Formatting floating dialog removed, will now
          always open in the Sidebar (as the Gallery)
            + what happens when when the sidebar is not visible? (Kendy)
                + it will open the sidebar (Samuel)
                + there's a small bug if you hide the sidebar a special way,
                  then it will not show up (Samuel)
                    + but bug filed (Jay)
    
        + [this week] hiding of paragraph level background color button in
          formatting toolbar (Jay)
    
            + Jay hid it in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=affe79b5a920a2aa0bc284e918c96aa0379c5efb
              and Kendy enabled it in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=bb29c5723a6053476b6f398c8550b2a839aa07fc
            + reasoning for its hiding
                + most users do not set paragraph level background color, as
                  it colors more than the space taken up by characters
                + users will be confused between character background color
                  (aka highlight) and paragraph background color (aka
                  background color)
                + other word processors that dont have paragraph color in
                  toolbar/sidebar - iwork pages, abiword, wps/kingsoft
                  writer, calligra words, wordperfect, ms word 2003, google
                  docs
                + most S/W don't have the func to set the paragraph color
                  that anyway (Jay)
                + confusing - 3 buttons; what each of them does? (Jay)
                    + it is wrongly labeled - it's a paragraph color (Jay)
                + the highlighting is confusing too - it is not what Word
                  has as the 'Highlight' feature (Kendy)
                + concern about hiding functionality - if it is used, we'll
                  get fire ;-) (Kendy)
                + it aligns better with the 1st row of buttons when hidden (Jay)
                + looks better
                    + http://i.imgur.com/keUX5SK.png vs. http://i.imgur.com/8IMHRzp.png
    
    AI          + Conclusion: Kendy will try to see how hard it is to turn
                  the 3 spacing buttons to 1 dropdown, keep the background
                  color for now, and measure.
                    + there is a drop-down already in the sidebar (Samuel)
                    + good, will try to re-use that (Kendy)
    
    AI  + Heiko: File a bug about better description of tooltip (sidebar - spacing).
            + "Increase Spacing" should be "Increase Paragraph Spacing",
              same for decrease
    
    * Removal of cut, copy, paste buttons from writer's standard toolbar (Jay)
    
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84909
        + No way before we measure this ;-) (Kendy)
            + in MSO, Paste is the biggest + most prominent button in Word,
              I bet they have a reason for that (yes it is a large icon to
              show emphasis, as paste is the number one used function in any
              word processor)
                  + Yet again, the need for a combination of big+small
                    toolbars arises (there was a GSoC project
                    (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Development%2FGSoC%2FIdeas&diff=89030&oldid=88966 ),
                    why was it removed? (Adolfo)
            + please note that the https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Tracking_results
              are for Impress, not Writer. (it is for all modules Kendy :D)
        + iWork Pages and all macOS applications don't have cut, copy, and
          paste buttons in toolbars
        + People that agree with this proposal: Mirek, Daniel, Samuel,
          Heiko, Tor, Astron, iplaw67, mjayfrancis
        + People that oppose: Jean-Baptiste Faure, Adolfo Jayme, Cor Nouws,
          Cassandra Freund
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77261
          https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/3?r=60#message-60
    
        + Heiko can run a survey - old vs. new toolbar
            + problem with the interaction (Jay)
            + easily doable (Samuel)
            + question can be "what do you use", but also "what is
              acceptable to you" (Heiko)
                + or "do you agree with removal of this or that" (Heiko)
            + Heiko + Jay will propose questions to ask in the survey
            + pasting as unformatted text is very helpful (Samuel)
                + one of the options is to remove the cut and copy, but
                  leave paste (Samuel)
                    + I like this proposal! (Kendy)
    
    AI  + Conclusion: Heiko + Jay will come up with a set of questions for
          the survey, and we'll review it at the next meeting
     
    * Collecting the user information (Kendy)
     
        + prototype: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=35da89fa1428f5286304fc707252242554d49ea6
        + data collection
            + see what / how Mozilla is doing it
            + hopefully we could re-use the code of the server part?
                + http://blog.mozilla.org/metrics/2011/08/25/do-90-of-people-not-use-ctrlf/
                + https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/
        + no real progress since the last time, Kendy busy