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     Nov 19, 2014; 1:24am Jan Holesovsky-4
     Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-11-12
    * Present: Ahmed, Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Steve, Stuart
    * Completed Action Items:
        + Jay: Bug report that custom and used styles should appear in the
          Styles dropdown.
        + Jay: Update Writer, Impress + Draw to include "Align" like in
          "Align Left", "Align Right" etc.
        + Jay: Update svx/uiconfig/ui/paralinespacingcontrol.ui with better
          icons (cmd/something...)
        + Jay: Hide the paragraph background toolbar button.
        + Jay: "List of Changes..." -> "Manage Changes..."
        + Samuel: Change sidebar so that that it returns to the previous
          state when you eg. use F11 twice.
        + Kendy: Set updating reference to false for 4.4
        + Kendy: Push patch to default to large icons even on Windows.
          [we do that on all the other operating systems already anyway]
    * Pending Action Items:
        + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for layering (if it does not
          exist yet)
            + And also Easy Hack for downloading additional themes?
        + Kendy: GSoC task (or so) for converting "Manage Changes..." to
          sidebar (instead of non-modal dialog)
        + Kendy: Adjust alignment and spacing in line spacing drop down -

        + Samuel: Sidebar - hide the decks, but keep the sidebar (only the
          icons) there.

          [Kendy - please take this over. Can't figure that out (Samuel)]
        + Samuel: Add Close menu entry in the sidebar's menu that acts like
          View -> Sidebar toggle

    * Conference logo
        + Conference logo:
            + Not many responses about it in ml:
              k-j is working on it.
        + at the moment we don't have many artists for bigger graphics
        + should we advertise that on the social media etc.? (Kendy)
    AI      + redmine thread - will add, and also twitter + G+ (Jay)
    * UI changes integrated the last week:
        + Select and toggle off master elements in Impress via Delete (Caolan)
        + Toolbar drop down menus are added to bullet and numbering buttons (Maxim)

        + Writer statusbar will show zoom features at 800 pixels width (Samuel)

            + Makes the toolbar a bit too wide? (Kendy)
    AI      + Will check (Jay)
        + Calc toolbar revamp using OOo stats (Jay)

        + Impress toolbar revamp using OOo stats (Jay)

        + Unifying the click behaviour in statusbar (Samuel)

        + Add missing statusbar toolips (Samuel)

        + Default to large toolbar icons on Windows (Kendy)
    * Last week's discussions that need a resolution:
        + "Gallery" was renamed to "Clip Art Gallery" in the sidebar (Jay)
          felt the use of the word 'Gallery' wouldnt be wise as i've
          proposed new sidebar tabs like 'Styles Gallery'

            + changed that, is that suitable? (Jay)
            + primary reason: better understanding, because gallery may mean
              many things (Jay)
            + but the problem is that there might be also sounds and other
              stuff (Jay)
            + another possibility might be a "Styles Gallery" (Jay)
                + if we talking the tooltip, could be "Gallery - Clip Arts,
                  Sounds and more"? (Kendy)
    AI      + will try if the long tooltip can be there, if not, revert (Jay)
        + Adding View > Graphics (Jay, Adolfo)

            + possibilities to turn on / off things like the non-printing
              characters, etc. (Jay)
            + not sure about the use case (Kendy)
                + if something is slow, we should make it faster in the
                  first place :-) (Kendy)
                + the speed is not the only thing - might be useful
                  otherwise (Jay)
            + would prefer not to introduce this :-) (Kendy)
            + let's leave it for the moment as is & see more in the issue
        + Merge Document being outside of the Track Changes submenu (Jay, Cor)

            + changed to main entry in the Edit (Jay)
            + I like this (Kendy)
            + no disagreement - let's try this for the feature freeze
               + oppose: it's contrary to the nature of the feature... pls
                 read comment #8 (Cor)
    * Alex pasted this in the google chat while we were at last week's
      meeting (Jay)
        + Hi Jan, I can't join this week since I have a lab report that's
          due. What might be worth discussing is whether we want to go for
          a flatter look regarding the text icons:
          the second one in
          All the flat text icons:
            + icons too dark in the 4.3 (Jay)
            + did some polls on this on twitter etc. (Jay)
            + Alex suggested an icon with a plain color
            + best to have decide between Jay and Alex (Kendy)
                + both look fine to me (Kendy)
                + likes the 2nd one (the Jay's one) (Ahmed)
            + in general, best if you agree between the guys doing the
              icons :-) (Kendy)
                + of course, if something becomes controversial, please
                  bring it to the meeting
    * HIG's
        + LibreOffice uses the GNOME HIG's (Kendy)
            + but which ones? - there are 2 different ones ;-) (Heiko)
        + (Kendy)
            + "This version of the Human Interface Guidelines was written
              for designers and developers of GNOME 2 applications....")
        + HIG for Gtk3:

          not finished, AFAIK, (Heiko)
    * Pushing text wrap into calc 4.3 (Jay)
        + pushed now
    * Important shortcuts additions (Jay)
        + shortcut for AutoSpellcheck (ctrl+shift+F7 globally used by
          Hangul/Hanja Conversion, shift+F7 used by trace presedents in

            + important when we don't have that in toolbar any more (Jay)
            + what about Alt+F7? (Kendy)
                + will check (Jay)
                + but Alt is not good for a general shortcut (Heiko)
            + conclusion: Least problematic is to switch Shift+F7
        + shortcut for track changes (ctrl+shift+E newly taken up by Edit Mode)

            + MS Office uses Ctrl+Shift+E
            + but the Ctrl+Shift+E is recent addition (Kendy)
                + so still can be changed; let's find something new for the
                  Edit Mode (Kendy)
    AI          + OK (Jay)
    * Menu Improvements (Jay)
        + File menu -

           + I like it (Kendy)
        + Impress View Menu -

           + quite unorganized (Jay)
           + rearranged to be more similar to other modules (Jay)
           + I like it too (Kendy)
        + any objections to these re-works?
           + no objections
    * Clipboard and background color survey result published (Jay, Heiko)
        + clarification of stance that i had last week
           + Kendy misinterpreted the conclusion a bit at the ESC - not
             necessary to get more data, more important to allow smoother
             transition (Kendy)
        + google docs leaves only the paste and format painter, so this
          might be a good first step to get people off the toolbar for
          clipboard functions
           + I like this approach (Kendy)
           + conclusion: let's try to remove Cut + Copy for 4.5
        + Arguments:
    * Sifr survey preliminary results (Heiko)
         + results relating to which icon sets to keep
         + ~60% use tango (46% stick with default), 21% use sifr, 8% use
           oxygen, 6% galaxy, 3% crystal
         + 41% windows, 52% linux, 6% mac
         + on mac: its a 50/50 split between sifr and tango, though
           47% don't change the default tango
         + would be good to get what the breakdown of icon sets used by
           different OSes (Jay)
                    Crystal Galaxy Hicontrast Human no answer Oxygen Predefined Sifr Tango
      Linux (GTK+)        0      3          0     5         0      1         31   19    18
      Linux (other)       0      1          0     2         0      2         11    5     3
      Linux (Qt)          2      3          0     0         0     16         19   13     2
      macOS              0      0          0     0         0      0          9    8     2
      no answer           0      0          0     0         1      0          1    1     0
      Windows             6     12          1     0         2      4         69   18    12
            Crystal     Galaxy  Hicontrast no answer  Human   Oxygen Predefined   Sifr      Tango
      Low Usage           4      2          0          3          0         7         48         13          9
      High Usage          4     17          1          0          7         16         92         51         28
                 Crystal     Galaxy   Hicontrast   Human  no answer     Oxygen Predefined       Sifr      Tango
    Age <40         5         11          0          6          2         15         93         50         24
    Age >40         3          8          1          1          1          8         47         14         13
    * Survey to revamp Calc toolbar (Jay, Heiko)
    * Opening track changes toolbar (Jay)
        + toolbar should open when opening document with track changes

        + toolbar should open whe user clicks Edit > Track Changes > Record

        + would be useful (Kendy)
        + would need the possibility to turn off the auto-popping up tooo (Cor)
            + as it is with the tables / bullets etc. toolbars
    AI  + who will do that? :-) - find out (Kendy)
    * Automatic small or large icons for all platforms (Jay)
        + With automatic set for icon sizes in LO, below 1280 should be set
          to small.
        + not on the other OS'es, and people did not complain (Kendy)
    * Sifr Icons (Kendy)
        + got SVG sources from many people, Big Thank You! (Kendy)
            + now need to categorize that a bit
            + TODO count coverage / create page showing the progress
            + Papamatti and Jay are working on improving sifr icons, so
              there are a number of new or modified icons that arent in the
              SVG sources, but are available on github.
        + current state?

          (papamatti working on it).
        + problem pushing - cannot push any more (Ahmed)
            + - old, locked
                + new one
                + has 2 layers - one for Tango, the other for Sifr
                + helps to get the idea from Tango, and draw Sifr
    AI:     + will ask Mirek for access to the new repo (Ahmed)
    * Making sifr default on Mac (Steve, Jay)
        + with macOS now having flat icons, it would be useful to have
          sifr as default
        + how iWork Pages looks now -
        + we should want to promote the icon set build by LibO, as macOS
          is a good starting spot
        + sifr incomplete - is there a technical solution for the missing
            + like change the colors of the HiContrast to something gray? (Kendy)
            + does not look like it is possible to use it that way (Steve)
            + Writer by default already complete (Steve)
                + and the fastest evolving icon theme (Steve)
        + Sifr icons improvements

        + conclusion: Let's do it for 4.4
            + if too problematic for people, can revert for the final
              release (Kendy)
            + fixing / introducing new icons in the beta phase is not an
              issue (Kendy)
            + could post a note to
    AI  + Will do the switch (Kendy), Steve can test then, has a Mac
        + any plans for Sifr to work as hicontrast? (Heiko)
            + Sifr uses one color, the rest is handled by transparency (Jay)
            + easy to do this programmaticaly then :-) (Kendy)
                + just to change this color to any other on the fly - white
                  for Hicontrast eg. (Kendy)
    * Similar base code for impress and draw causing problems (Jay)
        + they are sharing the same code, which is causing problems with
          labels and icons
        + the word 'slide' appearing in draw

        + the word 'page' appearing in impress

        + shouldn't be hard to add appropriate .uno: commands (Kendy)
            + sort one out, and Easy Hack-ize the others?
            + add what .uno: commands need such handling to the bug
    AI      + will collect them (Jay)
    * Controversial changes in bugzilla (Cor)
        + when a consensus is reached, can still go to 4.4 if it is a bugfix (Kendy)
        + if it is a feature - then either can be approved as a late feature
          (via ESC)
            + or has to wait for 4.5 (Kendy)
    * Sidebar Issues (Jay)
        + Swapping increase and decrease buttons in Sidebar

        + cropped elements

        + adding style drop down

        + OK to change as you think should be best (Kendy)
            + its (supposed to be) not open by default, not expect changes
              to be controversial