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Minutes
Apr 29, 2015; 7:23am Jan Holesovsky-4
Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-04-22
* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Stuart
* Completed Action Items:
* Pending Action Items:
+ Kendy: agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos
+ Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget
+ Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the wiki page that collects changes in menus
+ Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile
+ Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
+ Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
+ Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
+ Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
+ Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128)
+ the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
+ Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794
+ check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar
+ Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing in child icon sets (Jay)
+ Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete
* UI changes integrated the last week:
+ Rearrange Chart toolbars
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90492
+ Draw sidebar open by default (Kendy)
+ Styles & Formatting sidebar tab has style preview (Tomaz)
+ Finalized Draw UI (Jay)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90090
* UI Guidelines (Heiko)
+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
+ should add information how to create new widgets (Heiko)
+ generally UI guidelines should be kept simple to avoid the stagation
that more detailed documents get (Ken)
+ had the Friday session about this
+ so far mostly getting on the same page - UX vision & personas (Heiko)
+ continue this Friday
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
+ Shouldn't the icons in the Start Center always be the TDF/LibreOffice official "Branding" icons
regardless of the icon theme? (Pedro)
AI + best to agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos (Kendy)
+ bug in the start center:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90127
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90387
+ Tango (Alex/Jay)
+ Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
+ fixed two incorrectly shown icons (Jay)
+ Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
+ Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
+ Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
+ Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
+ Andreas pushed some more icons (Jay)
+ Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
+ Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
* How best to provide kendy with a list of needsDevEval (Jay)
+ presented the ~10 at ESC
+ query for all the NeedsDevEal them:
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=needsDevEval%20needDevEval&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr
+ will present the UI related ones in the ESC weekly (Kendy)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=needsDevEval%20TopicUi&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr
AI + let's triage what's there, and then use the "needsDevEval topicUI" combination for the proposed UI Easy Hacks (Jay / Stuart)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Whiteboard/Advanced
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Whiteboard
+ there is inconsistency between needDevEval, neeedsDevEval and NeedsDevEval
+ would be good if QA makes it consistent - querying is hard:
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needsDevEval (26 bugs)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needDevEval (14 bugs)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=NeedsDevEval (75 bugs)
AI + poke QA guys to make this consistent (Stuart)
* Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy)
+ Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart)
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding
+ it is a bit thin, so feel free to hack at it.
+ need some crafting on the Whiteboard as to scope of 5.0 branding proposals, e.g.
+ visual design (color scheme, icons)
+ StartCenter specifics (changes to layout--yes/no--)
+ placment or size of thumbnail views/template views
etc.
+ already some responses to posts to Users and Design MLs
+ needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements
+ reached to some people we know (Heiko, Jay)
+ now to spread the word more
AI + put it online (Kendy)
* Insert Chart (Heiko/Jay)
+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit?usp=sharing
+ http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-inserting-a-chart/
+ blog posted
+ discussion with Pedro - many issues solved
+ non-continuous charts request
+ much input from others too
+ concern about removing functionality - but acceptable if it is possible to tweak it a differen way / later
* Next Friday's design session (Jay)
+ 12pm UTC
+ Continue with last friday's insert chart discussion as it hasnt been completed
+ List of possible future topics
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing
+ Topic: Style guide - continued
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
+ like, where we want to rely on other guidelines, and what we want to design / decide
ourselves
* UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart) (340 bugs in ux-advice today)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&query_format=advanced&resolution=---
+ everyone please feel empowered to look at that + act: reject, implement, decide, or bring to
the meeting or mailing list if controversial
+ please be kind when closing requests, usually people have spent quite some energy filing that
+ Jay will go through the ux-advise bugs he has added (Jay)
+ to decrease the backlog, we should take ~5 easy to decide bugs to every meeting, and deal with them (Stuart)
AI + the next meeting, let's try it - select few that are easy to deal with (Stuart)
+ might be good to track it in a doc (Jay)
+ pad might be enough - let's start with this in the pad for now (Kendy)
+ and for grouping, we can use meta-bug (Stuart/Kendy)
AI + will parse the list and generate entries to the Design Pad--tdf# and title--and when added include
in a BZ Meta (but put it in UI component) (Stuart)