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    2015-12-18 09:42, Jan Holesovsky-4
    Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-11
    * Present: Heiko, Kendy, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž
    * UI changes integrated the last week:
        + Kill destructive color conversion menu in Impress (Tomaž)
        + ToolbarAsMenu controller in reportdesign (Maxim)
        + Displaymode icons (Andreas)
        + Improved toolbars (Jay)
        + Breeze icons improvements (Andreas)
        + Fix tooltips for frame alignment buttons (Samuel)
    + Save button behavior (Samuel)
        + Save contains "Save as" and "Save remote" in a dropdown
        + Dropdown was disabled when "Save" was disabled
            -> Made the button dropdown only when save disabled
        + However, this is quite irritating (button has two different modes, user doesn't know why he can't click save and later he can)
        + Also users missing indication whether document is saved
        + possible solutions:
            + make only the dropdown active
            + move the functionality to Save As
        + what do you want from that button? (Heiko)
            + is there a good reason to disable Save in the first place? (Heiko)
                + we already have a user setting to enable Save all the time (Kendy)
        + moving to Save As is a problem: wanted to hide it in the default toolbar
        + Save status is in the status bar too (Kendy)
            + not many people know about that though (Heiko)
            + the information could be in the tooltip; even with additional info (Document is saved / Document is modified / ...) (Kendy) +1 (Stuart)
            + eg. MSO has that enabled all the time (Samuel)
            + additional / new icon indicator in the toolbar for that - disabled by default (Heiko)
            + icon that looks disabled, but still clickable (Samuel)
                + that would be confusing (Heiko)
            + possiblity to switch the icon to one with a star when unsaved changes? (Kendy)
                + decoration / small star
                + like it (Heiko)
        + any technical limitations when allowing saving all the time? (Heiko)
            + not that I am aware of (Kendy)
        + conclusion:
            + implement switching of the Save icon to a "Document has changes" state
                + decorator, like an added star (Andreas promised to take a look, at least for Breeze)
            + enable Save always
            + remove the configuration setting to disable the Save button (because it would be confusing when the user switches to "disabling")
            + hide the Save As from the toolbar
            + Samuel will talk to Maxim, let's still try to get this in as a late feature
    + Navigator in Impress & Draw (Samuel)
        + What to do with "Show Navigator when Slideshow running"?
        + there is a possibility to have the navigator visible during presenting (Samuel)
            + but that's the point of the presenter console (Samuel)
            + would like to remove this feature (Samuel)
        + does not even work in my 5.0 :-) (Kendy)
            + looks unused / nobody misses this feature apparently (Samuel / all)
        + keep in mind that people wanted the use case the separate window for navigator in Writer (Stuart)
        + conclusion:
            + let's remove the "Navigator visible" from Slide Show -> Slide Show Settings...
            + if there is a missing functionality, let's find out the exact use case, and add to the presenter console
            + EasyHack created for this:
    + Mail merge toolbar (Kendy)
        + current problem: in the Mail Merge Wizard, the document state switches between the "Source" and "Target" view
            + confuses users a lot
        + proposed to drop the last 3 screens from the mail merge wizard
        + instead put this functionality to a toolbar, that has
            + Mail Merge Wizard (for changes in the address settings etc)
            + back and forth for navigation
            + skip recipient
            + Edit Individual Documents...
            + Print (range)
            + e-mail (range)
        + conclusion: sounds good
            + will share the prototype when I get there (Kendy)
    * Suggestions from Roland (Samuel)
        + Roland now bootstrapped, let's see (Samuel)
        + we can close this topic for now
    * Table styles blog post (Heiko)
        + shared a draft
        + needs a bit of discussion too unfortunately (Heiko)
            + discussed it in the call (Kendy/Heiko)
        + Heiko will finish the draft & publish
    * Start Center GUI suggestions for change (Stuart)
        + there were some new proposals about the start center (Stuart)
        + thanks so much for thinking in the new ways
            + sharing only a screenshot is not enough though
            + when considering a big change, more communication is needed - encourage to
              join the #libreoffice-design, and discuss there
            + Change Start Screen - kompilainenn's
            + very concise, tabbed GUI -- maybe an alternate to current thumbnail based (Stuart)
            + would force us to re-implement the file browser in LibreOffice (Kendy)
                + we already have an own implementation, but that would have to be largery re-done
                + platform-native dialogs are preferred (Kendy)
            + conclusion: not for the moment
            + New Interface suggestion - Douglas Vigliazzi
            + MDI-like approach (Heiko)
                + having more documents in one app was abandoned years ago (Heiko)
                + browsers do it, kind of (Stuart)
                + but browsers have much less functionality than document editing etc. (Kendy)
                + problem with just moving stuff to the sidebar without more general changes (Heiko)
            + conclusion: thanks for the suggestion, but for the time being - we are not going to follow this path
    * Bug discussions
        + discussed, and acted on: