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Minutes
Nov 21, 2014; 6:39pm Jan Holesovsky-4
Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-11-19
* Present: Ahmed, Jay, Heiko, Kendy, Stuart
* Completed Action Items:
+ Kendy: Switch Sifr to be the default icon set on macOS
+ Jay: Check if the toolbar is not too wide after the recent changes
+ Jay: Gallery tooltip reverted
+ Jay: Sync the track changes shortcut with MSO + change the edit
mode shortcut
+ Jay: Collect problematic .uno: commands in Draw/Impress (where
slides are called pages and vice versa)
+ Ahmed: Get access to the new Sifr github repo
* Pending Action Items:
+ Kendy: Create Easy Hack for images.zip layering (if it does not
exist yet)
+ And also Easy Hack for downloading additional themes?
+ Kendy: GSoC task (or so) for converting "Manage Changes..." to
sidebar (instead of non-modal dialog)
+ Kendy: Adjust alignment and spacing in line spacing drop down -
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83076#c11
+ Kendy: Sidebar - hide the decks, but keep the sidebar (only the
icons) there.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85935
+ might make sense to do the same thing in Calc - Styles button
is gone in the toolbar too
+ Samuel: Add Close menu entry in the sidebar's menu that acts like
View -> Sidebar toggle
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85937
+ Jay: Tweet / G+ / ... about the conference logo need
+ Kendy: Do / find someone / easy-hack-ize automatic opening of the
Track changes toolbar when we are tracking changes
* UI changes integrated the last week:
+ More fixes to Calc toolbar (Jay)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85594
+ Additional fixes to Impress toolbar and new revamp of Draw (Jay)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84909
+ Swapping increase and decrease buttons in Sidebar (Jay)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85776
+ Default to Sifr icon set on macOS (Kendy)
+ Many Sifr icons updated and added (Papamatti, Jay)
+ Improvements in various dialogs (Adolfo)
+ Addition of new and updated tango icons (Alex, Jay)
* Last week's discussions that need a resolution:
+ Merge Document being outside of the Track Changes submenu (Jay, Cor)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85046
+ there was no disagreement in the meeting, but then Cor updated
the etherpad that he does not agree :-)
+ tried this feature, and actually it is either broken, or
really bad from UX point of view (Kendy)
+ got the explanation from Jay
+ and seems pretty much misnamed :-) (Jay, Kendy)
+ Sophie agreed with the change in comment 34
+ Cor stated he'd file an official protest and reverted the
change in another bug report
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86252
+ suggestions of other names for the feature (Jay)
+ Merge Other Changes... (Jay)
+ Import Other Changes... ? (Kendy)
+ leaving it for another time, needs more work anyway (Jay)
+ Placement of header and footer (Jay)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86440
+ different places in all Writer / Calc / Impress!
+ suggests under Insert (Jay)
+ or Edit (Cor)
+ but not View
+ one more option: Format (Stuart)
+ competitive analysis: MSO (Word, Excel) has it in 'Insert',
Calligra in 'Create', Pages don't have that in the menu,
WordPerfect has it in 'Insert'
+ apparently they have it tight to the creation/insertion
functionality
+ would change the behavior a bit (Heiko)
+ yes, functionality is different across apps (Stuart)
+ conclusion: let's be consistent with the other apps out there (Kendy)
AI + please move Impress & Calc entries to Insert to be
consistent (Jay)
+ overall, using this functionality from the menu is not ideal (all)
+ too confusing - why a submenu? (Heiko)
+ 'Character' or 'Font' (Jay)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86302
+ apparently Word really leads to a dialog that only sets the
font (Kendy)
+ but here we allow to set more - all the character properties
+ conclusion: Let's leave it as it is
AI + close bug 86302 as wontfix (Jay)
* Survey to revamp Calc toolbar (Jay, Heiko)
+ http://user-prompt.com/how-do-you-want-libreoffice-calcs-toolbar-configured/
+ results - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A0-40WnOk4099N3DPiQs36d5Od9Bxuc3cCpIhIb6Qe8/edit?pli=1
+ shows that the biggest area of improvement needs to be of
style and having predefined ones
+ alignment, font size etc. used quite a lot
+ border color not used at all
+ many people do not know about styles in Calc
+ and people don't use that much
+ suggestion: more prominent setting for styles
+ some buttons can be removed: open gallery for example
+ freeform notes:
+ make the styles more visible
+ do the UX changes in smaller chunks between versions
+ standardization: some features in toolbar, some in sidebar
+ how hard would it be to use the same dropdown as in Writer? (Kendy)
+ better to use the Styles dialog in sidebar (Jay)
+ the key is to have the preview in the Sidebar too (Jay)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=109138
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86039
+ we have too few styles in Calc currently (Jay)
AI + brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc (Ahmed, Jay)
+ would be useful to have more split buttons in the toolbar (Jay)
+ otherwise has hidden things that are not used
+ will publish the blog tomorrow after Jay proofreads (Heiko)
* Sifr Icons (Ahmed)
+ https://github.com/libodesign/flat-icons - old, locked, reference
only
+ https://github.com/libodesign/icons
+ script to generate the icons automatically (Kendy)
+ has done some new icons (Ahmed)
+ will push shortly
+ some more coming soon
+ the storage a bit confusing (Jay)
+ be careful about conflicts (Jay)
+ please send me the info again (Ahmed)
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/35
+ macOS will use the Sifr as the default
+ syncing about what icons need to be done with Matthias (Jay)
* Blog post about the changes in menu & toolbar (Cor)
+ with all the (IMHO mostly great) changes in menu & toolbar, I
would suggest to prepare a nice blog exlaining all, or major
changes, or ... whatever, just to hand out to our users looking
around in vain searching for their favorites ;)
could ask on marketing@ ??
+ including that info in the blogs after surveys (Jay)
+ makes sense to talk about this (Heiko)
+ would be really useful around the release time (Kendy)
+ could even do a video "this leads to a dialog you've never
opened" funny one :-) (Jay)
* Sidebar Issues (Jay)
+ What happened with large icons in sidebar matching large icons in
toolbar?
+ I remember we discussed it and Kendy said he'd do something
about it
+ maybe we should have a different drop down in Tools > Options
to set the size of sidebar icons
AI + not sure about the dependencies in the code, check (Kendy)
+ maybe have that as an additional setting? (Jay)
+ better not, too many settings already (Kendy)
* Impress / Draw code share problem (Jay)
+ uno commands have been found and listed -
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84258#c2
this fixes the toolbars and menus
+ Easy-hackize this (Kendy)
+ additional work is needed for the context menus
Impress: Context Menu > Slide > Page Setup
Draw: Context Menu > Page > Slide Design
* Would TDF consider hiring a company to do an icon set (Jay)
+ It is a question that i've been thinking of and a survey commenter
also suggested the same
http://user-prompt.com/how-do-you-want-libreoffice-calcs-toolbar-configured/#comments (last comment by GT)
+ office icon sets that can be purchased
http://www.top4download.com/office-style-icon-set/bjrststh.html
http://www.perfect-icons.com/stock-icons/perfect-office-icons.htm
+ I'm not in the Board - better ask them (Kendy)
+ but guess it is hard to get somebody employed or hired to do
icons only (Kendy)
+ the preferred way is to enable people to do things, not to buy
a solution (Kendy)
+ then again - I believe a Design hackfest, or some design-related
h/w (wacom pen tablet or so) for people already doing great things
(enabling them to do more/better) might be possible (Kendy)
* Buttons with toggle issues (Jay)
+ Decimal and Standard Number Format buttons in Calc
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86119
+ Zoom Mode button in Impress/Draw -
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83572
+ syncing with Maxim already (Jay)
* Context menu access to styles (Jay)
+ adding paragraph applied and custom paragraph styles to context
menu
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85940
+ seems that we have multiple things to improve around styles (Kendy)
+ GSoC task to improve usability & accessibility of styles (Kendy)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/GenialIdeas
AI + add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various
things to implement (Jay)
+ styles previews in the sidebar etc.
* Easy access to line thickness options (Jay)
+ have simple preset drop down fields rather than manditory value
fields (similar to sidebar)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=59895 (page 5 and 6)
+ the thickness has a preview (Kendy)
+ adding an additional listbox would clutter the dialog even more (Kendy)
+ possibility to add it as a text that changes accordingly
+ not sure how to make this an actionable task...
+ GSoC task maybe? - this cannot be made easier just by an Easy
Hack :-(
+ would be necessary to collect the requirements + various uses
of this
AI + talk to Milos (Kendy)