Design/Meetings/2015-04-08

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    Minutes

    Apr 10, 2015; 11:36am Jan Holesovsky
    Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-04-08
    
    * Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Mattias, Kendy, Stuart
     
    * Completed Action Items:
    
        + Heiko: Publish it in the Shapes sidebar blog post
        + Matthias: Provide a mockup of a single accordion collection of shapes
    
    * Pending Action Items:
    
        + Jay: Send a mail to [hidden email] with the wiki page that collects changes in menus
        + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile
        + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
        + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
        + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
        + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
            + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
              and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128)
                + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
        + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794
             + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar
        + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing in child icon sets (Jay)
        + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is more complete
    
    * UI changes integrated the last week:
    
        + More reorganization of buttons in the Calc toolbars (Jay)
        + More Breeze icons (Andreas)
        + .ui improvements (Bubli)
    
    * Accordion widget (Heiko)
     
        + positivive feedback to possible use of the accordion widget
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accordion_%28GUI%29
        + it is quite a change if we introduce that in LibreOffice (Kendy)
            + development of the widget itself
            + native theming - Gtk+ / macOS / Qt / Windows - are there native impl's? (Kendy)
            + is there something close that would provide similar functionality in LibreOffice? (Kendy)
                + like a modified tree view? (Kendy)
                    + different that you can open any level (Heiko)
                    + powerful, but not that easy to use
                + actually it seems that eg. Calligra uses a modified tree view (Heiko)
            + disadvantage of accordion: uses quite a lot of space (Heiko)
        + would be good to have a graphical designer to think about this - just to have something nice & creative (Heiko)
            + even accordion would be a big change - so we can experiment (Kendy)
    AI  + create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept, so that we can try how it feels (Kendy)
        + interesting use case for trying the accordion could be the Tools -> Options... dialog (Kendy/Heiko)
    
    * Icon Updates / Issues
    
        + Shouldn't the icons in the Start Center always be the TDF/LibreOffice official icons regardless of the icon theme? (Pedro)
          http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Breeze-Icons-tp4145012p4145242.html
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90387
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90127
            + KDE HIG forbid to change the official icons (Heiko)
                + like, when you have the LibreOffice official icon / logo, it shouldn't be branded
            + are the Writer / Calc / ... icons actually logos? (Kendy)
                + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Logos
                + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Icons
                + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
                + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements
    AI      + best to agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos (Kendy)
     
        + Tango
            + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
              https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
            + pushed new icons for Calc (Jay)
    
        + Sifr
            + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
              https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
     
        + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
            + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
              https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
            + cleaning up with Andreas (Jay)
            + got into Ubuntu 15.04
     
        + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
            + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
     
    * Presentation templates for the LibreOffice conference 2015 (K-J)
     
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/LibreOffice_Annual_Conference/Presentation_Template#Proposals
        + great work by Klaus-Juergen, thanks so much! (all)
            + unfortunately no other participants
            + we should have promoted that more, via G+ - sorry about that (Kendy)
        + all look good - up to marketing if it is necessary to have one official, or if the people can choose from more (Kendy)
     
    * Artwork competition for LibreOffice 5.0 (Kendy)
     
        + needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about
        + not to take results as is, could be used as an inspiration (Kendy)
        + competition - a possibility to reach out to people, to get fresh blood (Jay)
        + hesitant if we get enough useful contribution (Stuart)
            + still I'd like to try it :-) (Kendy)
            + use similar wording as in the templates contest (Kendy)
        + we can also reach to some people we know (Jay)
            + will do that (Jay)
            + and if no positive answers / good outcome, competition the next week (Kendy)
    
    * Insert Special Character (Heiko/Jay)
    
        + Blog posted - http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-special-character/ (Heiko)
            + People quite liked the simple solution
                + Addition of an editable unicode name to allow search by symbol name suggested
            + All like extended solution, if it possible to implement
        + no further comments, topic can be closed
    
    * Shapes Sidebar (Heiko/Jay)
    
        + Blog posted - http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-shapes/
        + 4 comments
            + support of the accordion widget
            + final descision for what type of accordion layout needed when implemenation starts
            + republished on the G+ design group today
    
    * Insert Chart (Heiko/Jay)
    
        + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit?usp=sharing
            + Discussion started last friday and will continue this friday
    
    * Next Friday's design session (Jay)
    
        + 12pm UTC
        + Continue with last Friday's insert chart discussion as it hasn't been completed
        + List of possible future topics
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing
        + Topic: Reorganized toolbars in Chart
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90492
              https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=114663
    
    * UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart) (338 bugs in ux-advice today, and growing)
     
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&query_format=advanced&resolution=---
       
        + everyone please feel empowered to look at that + act: reject, implement, decide, or bring to
          the meeting or mailing list if controversial