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Date and Time (UTC)	2013-06-14 13:00 UTC
G+ Hangout	This Meeting
Chair	Joel Madero
Secretary	Robinson Tryon
Started	13:05
Adjourned	13:56
Participants	Joel, Robinson, Florian R., Ken, Thomas, Bjoern
Pad	http://beta.etherpad.org/p/partyhat
Talkyoo Room Number	537138

Prep

Agenda + Minutes

Minutes:
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Start

Meeting started at: 13:05
Participants: Joel, Robinson, Florian R., Ken, Thomas, Bjoern
Notes:
Bjoern joined later

Opening Discussion

Pending Items

PENDING ITEM: BugReport Page [was Proposals regarding our workflow]

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will ask devs/users about moving BugReport page under QA (and perhaps refactoring)

Joel emailed dev list, hasn't heard anything. Going to wait another few days and then pull the trigger.
ACTION: Joel will move the BugReport page

PENDING ITEM: NEEDINFO Stagnant Bugs

ACTION: 2 weeks from now Joel will provide a staff update; 4 weeks from now, will close the bugs as invalid

First part done, but Joel needs to close the next set of bugs.
25-35% of those bugs have had changes; the rest are probably going to be invalid.
Unfortunately on some of those there have been changes made, but nobody updated the status (even though we asked them to do so)

PENDING ITEM: Get French BSA Operational

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will do a test of the French BSA and see what is left to do (with Floeff)
There was some activity on the QA List re: the French BSA this past week.

Joel has been talking with Floeff/Sophie/Rob
Email is being hung up somewhere, but we did have successful emails to the QA and FR-QA lists
Rob is at the weekend hackfest and intends on working on this/fixing it, so we're all going to cross our fingers and hope this works!
Looking promising
ACTION: Joel will email Rob for an update

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

ACTION: Joel will get Mas the information about the Extension bugs problem

Still nothing yet
Bjoern knows more about this
Joel will send Mas an email today (Joel hasn't seen Mas around lately)
ACTION: Joel will talk to Bjoern about this problem

PENDING ITEM: QA Website

ACTION: Joren will create macOS-specific pages
ACTION: Joel will create Linux-specific pages

No progress since our last call
Joel needs some feedback on the main page
Would like people to review the homepage before it goes live

PENDING ITEM: Should we activate voting on FDO?

ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates

Bjoern hasn't heard anything from Tollef
ACTION: Bjoern will try to ping Tollef in the next week or so, after Hackfest is over

PENDING ITEM: Add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail

ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates

ACTION: Joel will email Tollef
Tollef said this was a minor change, but it hasn't happened yet
This is a bit more of a minor issue now, as we remind users

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

ACTION: Joel will update the whiteboard/keywords page

Joel worked on it yesterday
Needs to figure out what to keep/what to drop
There's a new UX whiteboard status, but we might change that to a component
Meeks is pushing to make it a component so that we can cc the Design mailing list
Joel likes a whiteboard status so that ordinary users can triage using it
Astron doesn't want a ping for every single bug that a user creates (e.g. every request for us to add a 'Ribbon' interface, new UI, etc..)
Florian R -- Perhaps we should change the name to 'UX Internal Request' or similar

PENDING ITEM: Use an online collaborative editor for minutes so that they can be viewed as the call progresses

ACTION: Robinson + Jonathan Aqualina will get install instructions for Etherpad to Floeff so that it can then be installed

Testing with Jonathan
Hope to have this wrapped up in the next couple of weeks

PENDING ITEM: What to do with releases after EOL

ACTION: Joel will bring up this topic to the ESC
ACTION: Robinson will remove a lot of versions from the BSA (for EOL'd versions, collapse to just major versions (X.x)
- June 12 - Changes on GitHub, pending review by Joel and then merging by Rob

Joel brought up the topic
Meeks said "Do what makes sense"
Robinson - All 3.3.x and 3.4.x versions (except 3.3.0 release and 3.4.0 release) have been blacklisted for the BSA, and are pending merging
Joel - We've thought about creating new versions such as "3.3 - All bugs"
Joel - Ubuntu is still on 3.5.4 (6+ months after EOL) -- is there going to be any update there?
Bjoern: no, as there's a rule about no regressions there. However dealing with an EOL'd version isn't TDF/LibreOffice's problem, it's something for the distro to address.
RedHat is still on 3.4 (!!), so this is a common issue
Joel - 94 versions in FDO was kind of lengthy for a new user trying to report a bug
Joel - Next steps: We'll try to move forward de-listing RC's and betas for 3.5
Thomas - 3.3.x might be best release for users
Florian R. - E.g. Base has several regressions after that release
ACTION: Joel will hide one release in FDO today
If it's really simple to do, then Joel will consider doing this in parallel, otherwise we will work on FDO after the BSA

PENDING ITEM: Locally-hosted Bugzilla

ACTION: Robinson - Keep this on our agenda so we keep track of things

No updates

PENDING ITEM: Clarify 'version' in Bugzilla

ACTION: Keep track of where Tollef is with this enhancement
ACTION: Keep the idea of a Version/Repro Table on our radar until the Version label is changed or we have another solution.

No updates

PENDING ITEM: IRC IZBot

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will investigate why our IRC bot isn't linking to FDO properly anymore

Cloph was able to figure out what went wrong (Thanks!)

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

ACTION: Bjoern/Robinson will investigate the possibility of being able to update the bibisect repository via git

Robinson and Bjoern have both been busy, no updates for now

PENDING ITEM: Clarify Bibisect + Version #

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will ask whoever is updating the bibisect wiki page to note the correct info
ACTION: Joel will add a note to the Ideas wiki page that our goal is to eventually have everyone use the bibisect repository

Joel asked someone to update the wiki, but don't think it's been done yet
At this point we can remove everything but bibisect40 and the daily bibisect
Page needs some rework
ACTION: Joel will work with Terrence Enger to clean/update this page

PENDING ITEM: Test New Python Wizards

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will email the QA Team and the mailing list and make sure that everyone knows about this

Joel emailed the QA/Dev Teams and the User List
Pedro did some tests and reported a few bugs
There's one particular wizard that isn't currently working properly

New Action Items

All items proposed between meetings go here

New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)

NEW ITEM: Bug Triage Contest (Joel)Joel has been publishing information and inviting people
Hasn't been getting good responses
Does anyone have suggestions on getting more interaction from our User base?
Florian R. -- Have we had any blog posts?
In particular on the TDF Blog
Bjoern - People may be watching the wiki page for the Contest, but be shy about adding their own name
Joel - If we have more general LibreOffice chat in the IRC channel this might make it more welcoming (less technical discussion)
Bjoern - The day we start we should drop some text announcing that we're getting started (etc.., etc..). It's important to appear professional, but not intimidating
Joel -- Perhaps add a banner to the front page announcing the start of the contest?
Florian R. -- He's busy with school so it might be hard for him to join the contest
Joel - He'll try to be around as much as possible the 1st week (he'll be a bit busy in the 2nd week), so we'll need to pick up the slack
ACTION: Joel will add Ken to the list of people joining the contest
Localization: Joel has sent an email to Sophie to ping the French QA community;
NEW ITEM: Netbooks (Bjoern)Those people who are receiving them need to give Bjoern your address so they can be drop-shipped there
Joel -- The three people will be [ Joel, Florian R., Joren]
Florian R. -- Is there a way to get a bigger screen?
NEW ITEM: SI-GUI Stats (Florian R.)Florian R. -- If you know people who are using it, please let him know
He's looking for more stats (esp. from people who have disabled tracking)
Only gotten feedback from Pedro so far

Announcements

ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... June 28th (Friday) at 13:00 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

End

Meeting adjourned at: 13:56

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