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Date and Time (UTC)	2013-06-28 13:00 UTC
G+ Hangout	[ This Meeting]
Chair	Joel Madero
Secretary	Robinson Tryon
Started	13:07
Adjourned	13:53
Participants	Robinson, Joel, Ken, Florian R.
Pad	http://beta.etherpad.org/p/partyhat
Talkyoo Room Number	537138

Prep

Agenda + Minutes

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Start

Meeting started at: 13:07
Participants: Robinson, Joel, Ken, Florian R.
Notes:
Petr is on vacation

Opening Discussion

Pending Items

PENDING ITEM: BugReport Page

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will move the BugReport page

Joel has moved it
Joel asks: Why are so many of the languages untranslated?
Many of the translations are out of date. French is up to date, but others probably need help.
ACTION: Joel will contact locale(s), including PT-BR

PENDING ITEM: NEEDINFO Stagnant Bugs

ACTION: 2 weeks from now Joel will provide a staff update; 4 weeks from now, will close the bugs as invalid

Joel says: Closing today (as INVALID), stats: 75% still in NEEDINFO, 8% CONFIRMED (NEW), 13% RESOLVED, 4% UNCONFIRMED -- all rounded
Joel will start the next set soon

PENDING ITEM: Get French BSA Operational

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will email Rob for an update
- June 16 - Email update from Rob "Florian and I where able to fix the problems with the mailing in the BSA. So the French BSA can be tested now..."

Fully operational now
Sophie and JB-Faure taking lead on FR documentation now

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

ACTION: Joel will talk to Bjoern about this problem

Still no word
If no word in a month, will tag as NEEDADVICE so that the devs will take a look at it

PENDING ITEM: QA Website

ACTION: Joren will create macOS-specific pages
ACTION: Joel will create Linux-specific pages

OS-specific pages not yet done, but we can make at least the front and bio pages live

PENDING ITEM: Should we activate voting on FDO?

ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates
[DONE] ACTION: Bjoern will try to ping Tollef in the next week or so, after Hackfest is over

Bjoern has contacted Tollef
Bjoern asked how difficult (how much of a cost/time) for us to have our own Bugzilla

PENDING ITEM: Add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail

ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates
ACTION: Joel will email Tollef

MERGE with previous Tollef ITEM

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

ACTION: Joel will update the whiteboard/keywords page

Still working on it

PENDING ITEM: Use an online collaborative editor for minutes so that they can be viewed as the call progresses

ACTION: Robinson + Jonathan Aqualina will get install instructions for Etherpad to Floeff so that it can then be installed

No updates

PENDING ITEM: What to do with releases after EOL

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will bring up this topic to the ESC
[DONE] ACTION: Robinson will remove a lot of versions from the BSA (for EOL'd versions, collapse to just major versions (X.x)
- June 16 - Robinson's patched merged-in and BSA updated.
- Next step: Work with Joel to see we can remove all non-release version #'s corresponding to EOL'd builds (e.g. 3.5 now, and 3.6. in August)
[DONE] ACTION: Joel will hide one release in FDO today
- If it's really simple to do, then Joel will consider doing this in parallel, otherwise we will work on FDO after the BSA

NOTES: very simple - can still search for bugs but cannot change version to the version that is hidden nor report bugs against version. Tested with 3.3.0.Beta2 (right now this is hidden on FDO)

ESC told Joel: Go for it
Collapsed 3.3 and 3.4 to single versions in BSA
De-listed all alpha/beta/RC's for released versions
Joel is testing "hiding" some of the old versions in FDO directly; nobody has complained yet :-)
ACTION: Joel will create new version in FDO "inherited from OOo" for bugs that predate our fork
We'll continue conversation in email

PENDING ITEM: Locally-hosted Bugzilla

ACTION: Robinson - Keep this on our agenda so we keep track of things

No updates

PENDING ITEM: Clarify 'version' in Bugzilla

ACTION: Keep track of where Tollef is with this enhancement
ACTION: Keep the idea of a Version/Repro Table on our radar until the Version label is changed or we have another solution.

Waiting on Tollef

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

ACTION: Bjoern/Robinson will investigate the possibility of being able to update the bibisect repository via git

No update

PENDING ITEM: Clarify Bibisect + Version #

ACTION: Joel will add a note to the Ideas wiki page that our goal is to eventually have everyone use the bibisect repository
ACTION: Joel will work with Terrence Enger to clean/update this page

Joel will try to do it in the next 2 weeks (and check w/Terrence)

PENDING ITEM: Bug Triage Contest

ACTION: Joel will add Ken to the list of people joining the contest

It's been successful
Joel has been trying to figure out how to count who's in the lead (he might need to go count by hand)
Developers have been helping us out with some tricky bugs (including ones that have needed input from OASIS, etc..)
Weekly Bug Summary: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
Florian R. - Want to do comparison [http]wp.me/p2dpdc-bb
Also: Help Promote Florian's Link

New Action Items

All items proposed between meetings go here

NEW ITEM: Collapse versions on BSA 6 months after last release (Robinson, Joel)

We've been streamlining the versions listed in the BSA and would like to come up with some basic guidelines
6 months after shipping the last version of a Release, we'd like to collapse the versions down to 'X.x all versions'.
This gives users plenty of time to transition to a modern, supported version of LibreOffice
Some corporate users/distros continue to use EOL versions for quite some time, but for end-users we think it's best to have a short list of versions
The short list will more clearly designate which versions are no longer supported by us

We could list this date on the ReleasePlan page:

basic dates for the initial and bugfix releases
release	freeze	publishing
...	...
End of Life	August 15, 2013
Single version on BSA	January 15, 2013

Joel - We should go ahead and add this to the wiki
ACTION: Robinson will add this to the ReleasePlan page

New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)

NEW ITEM: UX-Advice should be lowercase ("ux-advice") (Florian R.)
Florian R. - Because the "ux-advice" component is for internal use only, it should be in lowercase.
ACTION: Joel will update the text in FDO
ACTION: Robinson will update the BSA and the wiki
NOTE: Hopefully we can change case with a simple page-move on the wiki (and don't have to do a 2-step move or etc..)

Announcements

ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... July 26th (Friday) at 13:00 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

Joel notes that he and Florian R. will be unavailable for the next meeting
Robinson - Perhaps a break would be good for everyone :-)
We're planning to skip the next scheduled meeting (July 12) and meet again on July 26.

End

Meeting adjourned at: 13:53

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