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    Date and Time (UTC) 2013-06-28 13:00 UTC
    G+ Hangout [ This Meeting]
    Chair Joel Madero
    Secretary Robinson Tryon
    Started 13:07
    Adjourned 13:53
    Participants Robinson, Joel, Ken, Florian R.
    Talkyoo Room Number 537138


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    • Meeting started at: 13:07
    • Participants: Robinson, Joel, Ken, Florian R.


    • Petr is on vacation

    Opening Discussion

    Pending Items

    PENDING ITEM: BugReport Page

    • [DONE] ACTION: Joel will move the BugReport page
    • Joel has moved it
    • Joel asks: Why are so many of the languages untranslated?
    • Many of the translations are out of date. French is up to date, but others probably need help.
    • ACTION: Joel will contact locale(s), including PT-BR


    • ACTION: 2 weeks from now Joel will provide a staff update; 4 weeks from now, will close the bugs as invalid
    • Joel says: Closing today (as INVALID), stats: 75% still in NEEDINFO, 8% CONFIRMED (NEW), 13% RESOLVED, 4% UNCONFIRMED -- all rounded
    • Joel will start the next set soon

    PENDING ITEM: Get French BSA Operational

    • [DONE] ACTION: Joel will email Rob for an update
      • June 16 - Email update from Rob "Florian and I where able to fix the problems with the mailing in the BSA. So the French BSA can be tested now..."
    • Fully operational now
    • Sophie and JB-Faure taking lead on FR documentation now

    PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

    • ACTION: Joel will talk to Bjoern about this problem
    • Still no word
    • If no word in a month, will tag as NEEDADVICE so that the devs will take a look at it

    PENDING ITEM: QA Website

    • ACTION: Joren will create macOS-specific pages
    • ACTION: Joel will create Linux-specific pages
    • OS-specific pages not yet done, but we can make at least the front and bio pages live

    PENDING ITEM: Should we activate voting on FDO?

    • ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates
    • [DONE] ACTION: Bjoern will try to ping Tollef in the next week or so, after Hackfest is over
    • Bjoern has contacted Tollef
    • Bjoern asked how difficult (how much of a cost/time) for us to have our own Bugzilla

    PENDING ITEM: Add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail

    • ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates
    • ACTION: Joel will email Tollef
    • MERGE with previous Tollef ITEM

    PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

    • ACTION: Joel will update the whiteboard/keywords page
    • Still working on it

    PENDING ITEM: Use an online collaborative editor for minutes so that they can be viewed as the call progresses

    • ACTION: Robinson + Jonathan Aqualina will get install instructions for Etherpad to Floeff so that it can then be installed
    • No updates

    PENDING ITEM: What to do with releases after EOL

    • [DONE] ACTION: Joel will bring up this topic to the ESC
    • [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will remove a lot of versions from the BSA (for EOL'd versions, collapse to just major versions (X.x)
      • June 16 - Robinson's patched merged-in and BSA updated.
      • Next step: Work with Joel to see we can remove all non-release version #'s corresponding to EOL'd builds (e.g. 3.5 now, and 3.6. in August)
    • [DONE] ACTION: Joel will hide one release in FDO today
      • If it's really simple to do, then Joel will consider doing this in parallel, otherwise we will work on FDO after the BSA

    NOTES: very simple - can still search for bugs but cannot change version to the version that is hidden nor report bugs against version. Tested with 3.3.0.Beta2 (right now this is hidden on FDO)

    • ESC told Joel: Go for it
    • Collapsed 3.3 and 3.4 to single versions in BSA
    • De-listed all alpha/beta/RC's for released versions
    • Joel is testing "hiding" some of the old versions in FDO directly; nobody has complained yet :-)
    • ACTION: Joel will create new version in FDO "inherited from OOo" for bugs that predate our fork
    • We'll continue conversation in email

    PENDING ITEM: Locally-hosted Bugzilla

    • ACTION: Robinson - Keep this on our agenda so we keep track of things
    • No updates

    PENDING ITEM: Clarify 'version' in Bugzilla

    • ACTION: Keep track of where Tollef is with this enhancement
    • ACTION: Keep the idea of a Version/Repro Table on our radar until the Version label is changed or we have another solution.
    • Waiting on Tollef

    PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

    • ACTION: Bjoern/Robinson will investigate the possibility of being able to update the bibisect repository via git
    • No update

    PENDING ITEM: Clarify Bibisect + Version #

    • ACTION: Joel will add a note to the Ideas wiki page that our goal is to eventually have everyone use the bibisect repository
    • ACTION: Joel will work with Terrence Enger to clean/update this page
    • Joel will try to do it in the next 2 weeks (and check w/Terrence)

    PENDING ITEM: Bug Triage Contest

    • ACTION: Joel will add Ken to the list of people joining the contest
    • It's been successful
    • Joel has been trying to figure out how to count who's in the lead (he might need to go count by hand)
    • Developers have been helping us out with some tricky bugs (including ones that have needed input from OASIS, etc..)
    • Weekly Bug Summary:
      • Florian R. - Want to do comparison [http]
    • Also: Help Promote Florian's Link

    New Action Items

    All items proposed between meetings go here

    NEW ITEM: Collapse versions on BSA 6 months after last release (Robinson, Joel)

    • We've been streamlining the versions listed in the BSA and would like to come up with some basic guidelines
    • 6 months after shipping the last version of a Release, we'd like to collapse the versions down to 'X.x all versions'.
    • This gives users plenty of time to transition to a modern, supported version of LibreOffice
    • Some corporate users/distros continue to use EOL versions for quite some time, but for end-users we think it's best to have a short list of versions
    • The short list will more clearly designate which versions are no longer supported by us

    We could list this date on the ReleasePlan page:

    basic dates for the initial and bugfix releases
    release freeze publishing
    ... ...
    End of Life August 15, 2013
    Single version on BSA January 15, 2013
    • Joel - We should go ahead and add this to the wiki
    • ACTION: Robinson will add this to the ReleasePlan page

    New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)

    NEW ITEM: UX-Advice should be lowercase ("ux-advice") (Florian R.)

    • Florian R. - Because the "ux-advice" component is for internal use only, it should be in lowercase.
    • ACTION: Joel will update the text in FDO
    • ACTION: Robinson will update the BSA and the wiki
      • NOTE: Hopefully we can change case with a simple page-move on the wiki (and don't have to do a 2-step move or etc..)


    • ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... July 26th (Friday) at 13:00 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.
    • Joel notes that he and Florian R. will be unavailable for the next meeting
    • Robinson - Perhaps a break would be good for everyone :-)
    • We're planning to skip the next scheduled meeting (July 12) and meet again on July 26.


    • Meeting adjourned at: 13:53


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