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| Meeting of the QA Team | |
| Date and Time (UTC) | 2013-11-04 19:30 UTC | 
| G+ Hangout | [ This Meeting] | 
| Chair | Robinson Tryon | 
| Secretary | Robinson Tryon | 
| Started | 19:41 | 
| Adjourned | 20:53 | 
| Participants | Joel, Florian R., Robinson, Tommy, Thomas, Rob, Stuart, Joren | 
| Pad | http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/qa | 
| Talkyoo Room Number | 537138 | 
Prep
- Date of meeting may change based on Joel's doodle asking QA members about meeting times...
 
Agenda + Minutes
Minutes:
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Start
- Meeting started at: 19:41
 - Participants: Joel, Florian R., Robinson, Tommy, Thomas, Rob, Stuart, Joren
 
Notes:
- Joren joined us mid-way through the call
 - Bjoern is out sick
 - Starting a little late as we work out some technical difficulties
 
Opening Discussion
- New meeting time! Is it working well for everyone?
 
- Looks like most people can make this time
 
Pending Items
PENDING ITEM: BugReport Page
- ACTION: Connect with local team leaders (monthly meeting?) and work to interact with those teams in a different way (Robinson)
 
- Robinson - Had some good conversation on marketing call about similar items
 - Joel - If you're on a localization team, talk with Robinson
- People:
- Florian R. -> Germany/Austria
 
 
 - People:
 
PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates
- ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation
 
- Joel: Should we lump all of these long-term items together at the end of the agenda?
- Florian R.: Yes
 
 
PENDING ITEM: QA Website
- [DONE] ACTION: Florian/Joel please give us an update by next time
 
Page is: http://qa.libreoffice.org/
Older:
- [SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Joel will create Linux-specific pages
 - [SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Joel will proof the macOS page
 - [SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Florian R. will ping Joel and start to work on the pending Action items.
 
- Joel - No update
 - Florian R. - If you'd like to help, you'll need to get credentials from Cloph
 - ACTION: Florian R. will set up QA Website work as a QA EasyHack
 
PENDING ITEM: Tollef and Bugzilla TODOs and planning
- ACTION: 1st draft of proposal -> send to QA List (Robinson)
 
Older:
- ACTION: Get Tollef to activate voting on FDO (merged item)
 - ACTION: Get Tollef to add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail (merged item)
 - ACTION: Get Tollef to clarify 'version' label in Bugzilla (merged item)
 - ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates (re: Bold statement on FDO mail)
 - ACTION: Continue discussion (long-term) of move to Locally-hosted Bugzilla
 
- Robinson - ESC looking for a plan from us
 
PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page
- [DONE] ACTION: Ask QA list what we want to do with whiteboard/keywords (Joel)
 
Older:
- ACTION: Joel will update the whiteboard/keywords page
 
- Joel - Now has a better idea of what is expected. Basic page + Advanced page
- Always happy to get help updating the wiki!
 
 
PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories
- ACTION: Combine existing bibisect repos into one (starting pre-fork) (Robinson)
 
- Punt
 
PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect
- ACTION: Punt on implementation until after we have bibisect repos up and running (All)
 
- ACTION: Joel will talk to Cor about (possibly working on) the bibisect GUI
- Perhaps Cor can start before we're done with getting the repos up and running
 
 
PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages
- ACTION: Robinson will go ahead with the Feedback page idea (and ping Rob)
 
- Punt
 
PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List
- [DONE] ACTION: Set up a single MAB list (Joel)
 
- Joel - We have (set up) a single MAB list
- As of 4.2, we'll close all of the individual MAB lists
 - Tommy is helping on this project
 
 - Tommy - My plan is to have 2 different lists, one for Stable releases and one for MAB on the master branch
- Some MABs are only present on the master branch
 - Joel - So the idea is to keep the master branch separate so that devs can see how many are open just on master...
 
 - Joel - If we have 2 lists, I'd suggest 1 for stable releases and 1 for master and pre-releases
- Rob - Agree
 - Robinson - But pre-releases are on a side-branch (a release branch)
- Rob - So just pre-releases up until the 1st stable release on a release branch
 
 
 - Joel - It's too confusing what goes on MAB
- ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB
 
 - Rob - Another item to add: As QA we should regularly test the bugs in MAB to make sure that they're still a problem
- Joel - Every bug on the MAB should be tested at least every minor release
 
 - Joel - Maybe have a new Whiteboard status 'ProposedMAB' --> we'd need to have one person nominate a bug, and at least one other to confirm before it ends up on the MAB list
- Rob/Robinson - Sounds good
 
 
PENDING ITEM: Keeping track of bug statistics
- [SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Ask Joel to document the bug statistics work that he has done
 - [DONE] ACTION: Figure out who (1 person or a group) can help us to keep track of these statistics
 
- Joel - What plan? :-) Is anyone interested in helping out with how we process our bug statistics?
- Currently very time-consuming
 
 - Robinson - Could we script something up?
- Rob - Yes, we can!
 
 - ACTION: Joel will come up with what statistics we want to track (just a couple for starters) and send to Rob
- Robinson - here's an easy one: Unconfirmed bug count, tracked daily
 
 - ACTION: Rob will script up a first draft of stats report based on what Joel sends him
 
PENDING ITEM: QA Meeting Time
- [DONE] ACTION: Let's set up a doodle and see what response we get (Joel)
- Oct 18: Doodle is here: http://doodle.com/z5xic72ng9q3hz8v
 - Oct 27: Great response -- have times listed for 9 people (Joel, Joren, Florian, Robinson, Rob, Thomas, Bjoern, Tommy, Sophie)
- Best times so far: 1:30PM EST Mon (4 strong yes, 3 yes), 2:30PM EST Fri (5 strong yes, 1 yes)
 
 - Oct 31: Changing time to Monday at 19:30 UTC (we'll test the new time out and see how well it works...).
 
 
- Robinson - The time looks to be great for lots of people!
 
PENDING ITEM: Updates to the BSA
- ACTION: Remove EOL versions from the BSA and implement 'please update' message (Rob)
 
- Rob - Will people with an EOL version file bugs (incorrectly) against a newer version?
- Robinson - We think that's unlikely
 
 - Joel - My biggest fear is that everyone updates to 4.1 and then updates the version field on their existing bug reports (contrary to how we actually use Bugzilla's version field)
 - Joel - What if we simplified to "Did this ever work?" -> and use that to mark as PossibleRegression
 - Robinson - What's the goal of our BSA? That should drive what versions we offer in the BSA, etc..
 - Rob - We should support our stable versions plus any RC that has not been superseeded (So RC1 is superseeded by RC2....superseeded by the stable release)
 - Joel - Still likes the idea of having a line for EOL releases that are still in major use
- Rob - Need to keep an eye on what the developers are willing to support (For EOL releases, the devs say to go to an outside contractor)
 - Joel - I just don't want users to get discouraged about reporting bugs
 
 - Rob - We can get the user's OS from the BSA, and use that to give a custom message
- Something like "The LibreOffice version you're using has reached its End of Life and is no longer supported by the LibreOffice project, but may still be supported by Ubuntu/Canonical. Please file a bug in Launchpad."
 
 
- Robinson - There's a bigger discussion about where bugs should be reported (to distro, to LibreOffice, or?)
- Rob - We should move that discussion to the mailing list
- (Robinson - I'll bring the topic up)
 
 
 - Rob - We should move that discussion to the mailing list
 
At this point in the call, Florian had to leave...
Florian R. left Hey Joren and I got cut off over on the Goolge Hangout... (I think this was Rob) -- Robinson is investigating -- (guess it died when Florian left) -- yes we've tried the #537138 room number but are unable to get back into the Talkyoo stream...
PENDING ITEM: Tag Repro Needs in Whiteboard
- ACTION: Implement webpage displaying lists of NeedsXYZ bugs (Robinson)
- Oct 29 - First draft of Bug Presenter
 
 
- Robinson - First draft done -- I'll mention it again next time
 
PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University
- ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)
 
- Punt
 
PENDING ITEM: QA Contest T-shirts
- ACTION: Pick a printer and get the shirts printed (Robinson)
 
- Robinson - Will check-in with printer today
 
PENDING ITEM: Hackfests
- ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
 
New Action Items
All items proposed between meetings go here
NEW ITEM: Title (Author)
New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)
NEW ITEM: Title (Author)
Announcements
- ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... November 18th (Friday) at 19:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.
 
End
- Meeting adjourned at: 20:53
 
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