QA/Meetings/2014/February 10

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    Date and Time (UTC) 2014-02-10 19:30 UTC
    G+ Hangout [ This Meeting]
    Chair Robinson Tryon
    Secretary Robinson Tryon





    Robinson, Dali, Sophie, Joel

    Talkyoo Room Number 537138


    Agenda + Minutes


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    Before we Start

    A few minutes before we officially start the call, we'll try to have a few people on hand to help assist newbies set up their teleconferencing gear, get things muted, and log on to all of our communication channels:


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    The State of QA

    Including any Opening Discussion

    • T-shirts update:
      • Kiva Cards?
      • More T-shirts delivered to:
      • Still en-route to:
        • Hackert, Mandal
    • Any update on possible Hackfest in the US (School in Pennsylvania) ?
    • Consider rethinking QA Meeting time (Joel)
      • It's too late for Florian R.
      • ACTION: Joel will set up a doodle for a new QA Meeting time
    • Kiva cards sent
      • Will send out blurb once I check with Italo/Marketing (Robinson)
    • Possible Bug Hunting event for 4.2.2 ? (Sophie)
      • 4.2.2 will be in RC in about a month
    • Pennsylvania Hackfest: Update?
      • Tentatively in April
      • Question about how many students we could get pre-registered (Joel)
      • What about partnering with OpenHatch?
    • Hackfests can give us multiple things:
      • Possible new contributors
      • GSoC interest
      • New contributors (in QA, Documentation, etc...)
      • Awareness of FOSS in high schools and university campuses
      • Awareness of LibreOffice in particular (good place for expanded use of LO)
      • ACTION: Joel will respond to planning email and help shape what we can/want to do
      • ACTION: Robinson will check-in with OpenHatch/Deb Nichols to investigate partnership
    • California has a lot of schools in close proximity, so might be a good place for us to plan a multi-school trip (Joel)


    UNCONFIRMED bug count:

    • January 27th: 774
    • Today (10th): 874
    • Difference: +100
    • Numbers climbing up -- what can we do to keep these numbers down? (Robinson)
    • Some positive interest from NA users (Joel)
      • Make sure to have at least one of the experienced users in the chat room as much as possible
    • There are a number of duplicates that need to be consolidated (Sophie)

    Topics for ESC?

    Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

    Need_Advice Bugs

    Need_Advice bugs

    I'm going to bring up the following bugs:

    • (Perhaps more a11y bugs?)
    • NeedAdvice list doing well (a bit shorter)

    Pending Items

    PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

    • ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

    To review:

      • Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?
    • Had interest from Mozilla coordinator at FOSDEM to join us (Robinson)

    PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

    • ACTION: Robinson will work on a new lobster mascot for our Bugzilla
    • ACTION: Robinson/Cloph will talk to Tollef about next steps in Bugzilla migration
      • Waiting to hear back from Tollef
    • ACTION: Joel/Alex working to give Robinson a VM in which to test Bugzilla ourselves
      • This will speed-up the 2nd half of migration and after-migration tasks


    • ACTION: Get Tollef to activate voting on FDO (merged item)
    • ACTION: Get Tollef to add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail (merged item)
    • ACTION: Get Tollef to clarify 'version' label in Bugzilla (merged item)
    • ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates (re: Bold statement on FDO mail)
    • Owen made up a great lobster mascot -- will unveil it once we have our instance up and running (Robinson)
    • Will feel better if we can slowly work on our side in a VM (Joel)
      • Should have a VM up by end of February for testing
    • PSA: Now that we have Redmine up and running, the official position is to send infrastructure bugs there
      • (but FDO WWW subcomponent is still available for now)

    PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

    • ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Robinson) + Provide better docs
    • ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Robinson)

    To review:

    • Robinson working on bibisect docs
    • IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
    • IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit
    • punt

    PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

    • ACTION: Punt on implementation until after we have bibisect repos up and running (All)
      • Florian is working on a Windows-only version
    • Florian pushed-out a beta release ... (Joel)
    • ACTION: Joel will ask people to test the Windows Bibisect GUI

    PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

    • ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page
    • [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will ping chs/website list to make sure the feedback page is styled per the site redesign
      • Feb 01 - Pinged chs/website list that the newdesign Feeback page still doesn't pass url params
      • Feb xx - Filed a bug in Redmine

    To review:

    • Feedback page in new mockup
    • NL versions (bug #?)
    • We'll work on translations once the website redesign is put into production (Sophie)

    PENDING ITEM: EOL, Release series, and Stable versions

    • ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)
    • Wait and see how the website redesign presents the Fresh vs. Stable version, too

    PENDING ITEM: QA Input into website redesign

    • ACTION: Sophie/Robinson - Keep QA in the loop re: updates to QA pages

    Website Redesign:

    • New website will be out very soon (Robinson)
    • Sophie will get us an update in the next few days

    PENDING ITEM: Start Center and Sidebar Concerns

    • ACTION: Robinson will get an update on the latest progress here from Stuart/a11y Team
      • Feb 1 - Emailed
    • ACTION: If you try to use LibreOffice without a mouse (and using a screen reader), how is the experience? (Everyone)

    Relevant tracker bugs:

    • Will ping again
    • There's been a lot of discussion re: the sidebar (is it redundant?) (Joel)

    PENDING ITEM: Introduction video to LibreOffice QA

    • ACTION: Mock something up/have something to show at a future QA Meeting (Robinson, Joren)
    • Delayed (FOSDEM :-)

    PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

    • ACTION: Joel will come up with a timeframe for future Bug Hunting Sessions/Triage Contests, with rationale.
      • Let's try to have an event every 6 months
    • Possibly something with 4.2.2
      • Sophie will organize it for Week 11

    PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

    • ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
    • ACTION: Write a script to make sure builds are being produced daily! (Robinson)
    • Will touch base with Cloph again
    • Mac builds of master are down today (Sophie)

    Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

    These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

    PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

    • ACTION: Joel will turn this into an EasyHack and work on it (slowly)

    PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

    • ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

    To review:

    • How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)


    • Things are going well (Sophie)
      • List is still growing a bit
        • Perhaps clarify exactly what criteria to be a MAB? (Robinson)

    PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

    • ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation

    PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

    • ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)

    PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

    • ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)

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