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Date and Time (UTC)	2014-02-24 19:30 UTC
G+ Hangout	[ This Meeting]
Chair	Robinson Tryon
Secretary	Robinson Tryon
Started	19:36
Adjourned	20:54
Participants	Florian R., Robinson, Thomas, Björn, Joren, Rob
Pad	http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/qa
Talkyoo Room Number	537138

Prep

Agenda + Minutes

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Start

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The State of QA

Including any Opening Discussion

T-shirts update:
- Kiva Cards?
- More T-shirts delivered to:
- Still en-route to:
  - Hackert, Mandal

New Meeting Time?
- ACTION: Joel will set up a doodle for a new QA Meeting time

Any update on possible Hackfest in the US (School in Pennsylvania) ?

SCALE 12x was fun!
Help from David Eisenberg on Fri/Sat
Let's have more people there next year  (recruitment from West coast/CA?)
Thoughts on getting swag for BugHunting sessions?
Tool for downloading copies of LibreOffice onto USB sticks: https://github.com/reisi007/LibO-Tankstelle (Florian R.)
Consider for future conferences, etc..

UNCONFIRMED Bugs

UNCONFIRMED bug count:

February 10th: 874
Today (10th): 956
Difference: +82

Ideas for attracting new help? (Robinson)
More/better tools (Florian R.)
Working auto-update of LibreOffice for Win/Mac
Security concerns? (Florian R.)
Expected of modern applications (Robinson)
Infrastructure concerns re: large updates? (Bjoern)
We shouldn't be afraid of our own success
Only push updates to our stable/fresh users every few weeks; QA can get updates daily, if desired (Robinson)
ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)

What about gnu/linux? (Robinson)
For Ubuntu, we have PPAs providing both stable and testing builds (Bjoern)
Stable: (libreoffice)"ppa" https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa (also explains the other PPA)
Testing: "pre-releases" - Get as many pre-releases and Bjoern can manage to build
What about using theses for BugHunting sessions? (Robinson)
There is a diff between the PPAs and official TDF builds, but minor, and the simplicity of the PPA may win out (Bjoern)
For RedHat/other distros?  (TBD...)

Topics for ESC?

Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

Need_Advice Bugs

Need_Advice bugs

(see notes on Updater)

Pending Items

PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:

- Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?

After new website is up and running, re-examine our docs/workflow here.

PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

[DONE] ACTION: Robinson will work on a new lobster mascot for our Bugzilla [owen made one]
ACTION: Robinson/Cloph will talk to Tollef about next steps in Bugzilla migration
- Waiting to hear back from Tollef
ACTION: Joel/Alex working to give Robinson a VM in which to test Bugzilla ourselves
- This will speed-up the 2nd half of migration and after-migration tasks

Older:

ACTION: Get Tollef to activate voting on FDO (merged item)
ACTION: Get Tollef to add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail (merged item)
ACTION: Get Tollef to clarify 'version' label in Bugzilla (merged item)
ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates (re: Bold statement on FDO mail)

Bugzilla cert expired, but fixed (Robinson)
Hopefully have VM soon for local testing (ahead of getting a data dump from FDO)
Will we run into problems with bug numbering/reduction of functionality/difficulty customizing if we use FDO dump? (Florian R.)
Shouldn't be a problem -- I've solid plans on how to keep existing bug numbers (Robinson)
(We'll toss the code into a git repo, and have a test server, etc..)
Chatted w/Tollef and other FDO guys this week (fixing expired cert, deleting accidentally-uploaded private data) (Robinson)
Hopeful to make some new headway here in the coming month.

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Robinson) + Provide better docs
ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Robinson)

To review:

Robinson working on bibisect docs

IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit

Punt

PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

ACTION: Punt on implementation until after we have bibisect repos up and running (All)
- Florian is working on a Windows-only version
ACTION: Joel will ask people to test the Windows Bibisect GUI

Code works on macOS/Linux as well (Florian R.) [ https://github.com/reisi007/Bibi-GUI ]
Switching between versions takes 3min+ on Windows
https://github.com/libgit2/libgit2sharp/issues/623
Builds are twice the size than parallel installation
There are 49 installs of 1GB in the repo
ACTION: Investigate what is causing the huge increase in size (Florian R.)

PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:

Feedback page in new mockup
NL versions (bug #?)

Walrus on the feedback page well received at SCALE 12x (we put "FREESOFTWARE" and "WALRUS" as the two words in the Crossword puzzle for the Booth Games) - (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: EOL, Release series, and Stable versions

ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)

As discussed above..

PENDING ITEM: QA Input into website redesign

ACTION: Sophie/Robinson - Keep QA in the loop re: updates to QA pages

Website Redesign:

http://newdesign.libreoffice.org/

PENDING ITEM: Start Center and Sidebar Concerns

[SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Robinson will get an update on the latest progress here from Stuart/a11y Team
- Feb 1 - Emailed
[ABANDONED] ACTION: If you try to use LibreOffice without a mouse (and using a screen reader), how is the experience? (Everyone)

Relevant tracker bugs:

GNU/Linux - tdf#36549
macOS - tdf#55571
Windows - tdf#60251

Punt
ACTION: Continue to watch Start Center/Sidebar until a11y concerns addressed (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: Introduction video to LibreOffice QA

ACTION: Mock something up/have something to show at a future QA Meeting (Robinson, Joren)

PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

ACTION: Joel will come up with a timeframe for future Bug Hunting Sessions/Triage Contests, with rationale.
- Let's try to have an event every 6 months

Punt

PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
ACTION: Write a script to make sure builds are being produced daily! (Robinson)

Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

ACTION: Joel will turn this into an EasyHack and work on it (slowly)
- tdf#71761 - Cleanup Whiteboard Wiki Page

PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:

How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:

~~MAB Tool~~ - Server/service down for now

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation

PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)

PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
ACTION: Joel will respond to planning email (for Penn) and help shape what we can/want to do
ACTION: Robinson will check-in with OpenHatch/Deb Nichols to investigate partnership

At SCALE: Met several students from California universities (Cal Poly, etc...) receptive to the idea of hosting a hackfest (Robinson)
Any updates on hackfests elsewhere in the US?
Philadelphia - Possibly
Montreal - Guys have connections to the university, can provide basics of hackroom, room/board (Bjoern)
Bring-in local guys: Kohei, Joel, Robinson, Ken Biondi, etc..
Might be able to bring-in others (e.g. Bjoern)
Here's What Works: Find a data/place, and then advertise HEAVILY to get others on board (Bjoern)
What about running a hackfest at 1-2 universities for 1-2 days each? (Robinson)
Probably best to stick with one university at a time; consider cross-promoting between both universities (Bjoern)
If we have interest from 2 universities, approach and see if they can share the event, and switch to the next one 6 months later
Lesson Learned: Tried having a hackfest in Silicon Valley, but had low turnout
ACTION: Follow-up with all of the people I met at SCALE re:possible hackfests/events (Robinson)
I did chat w/Deb and the OpenHatch folks, but want to continue that discussion further before I remove the Action item.
Deb also mentioned SpinachFest (?) before LibrePlanet -- opportunity for us to test out LO (UI stuff, IIRC) (Robinson)

New Action Items

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NEW ITEM: Title (Author)

New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)

NEW ITEM: Title (Author)

Announcements

ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... March 10th (Monday) at 19:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List (which may happen this week :-).

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