QA/Meetings/2014/March 17

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    (Punted a week forward from March 10th)

    Meeting of the QA Team

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    Date and Time (UTC) 2014-03-17 18:30 UTC
    G+ Hangout [ This Meeting]
    Chair Robinson Tryon
    Secretary Robinson Tryon
    18:30 UTC
    20:15 UTC
    Joel, Bjoern, Robinson, Sophie
    Talkyoo Room Number 537138


    Agenda + Minutes


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    Before we Start

    A few minutes before we officially start the call, we'll try to have a few people on hand to help assist newbies set up their teleconferencing gear, get things muted, and log on to all of our communication channels:


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    The State of QA

    Including any Opening Discussion

    • T-shirts update:
      • Kiva Cards?
      • More T-shirts delivered to:
      • Still en-route to:
        • Hackert, Mandal
    • New Meeting Time?
      • ACTION: Joel will set up a doodle for a new QA Meeting time


    UNCONFIRMED bug count:

    • February 24th: 956
    • Today (17th): 935
    • Difference: -21
    A little slow down

    Topics for ESC?

    Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

    Need_Advice Bugs

    Need_Advice bugs

    Pending Items

    PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

    • ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

    To review:

      • Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?

    PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

    • ACTION: Robinson/Cloph will talk to Tollef about next steps in Bugzilla migration
      • Feb 24 - I'll try to ping Tollef again (cultivate communcation) (Robinson)
    • ACTION: Joel/Alex working to give Robinson a VM in which to test Bugzilla ourselves
      • This will speed-up the 2nd half of migration and after-migration tasks
    • VM is now running
    • Add a local OpenId server
    • Give a priority on tasks
    • Michael Meeks has a new contact at freedesktop but not more active than Tollef
    • Action: document everything for BZ migration on Redmine -> Robinson

    PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

    • ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Robinson) + Provide better docs
    • ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Robinson)

    To review:

    • Robinson working on bibisect docs
    • IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
    • IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit
    • Not documented on the wiki
    • Give a 3.5 to 4.2 if merged, links in the wiki
    • Norbert suggestions to have a very rough repository where we can nail down patches is not really what we need now, we need something as simple as possible.
    • ACTION: Robinson will get more information from him
    • Bjoern repo: but not so useful because you can still find issues in master, useful only if it broke on release branch

      • We need more people to bisect on master

    PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

    • ACTION: Joel will ask people to test the Windows Bibisect GUI
    • ACTION: Investigate what is causing the huge increase in size (Florian R.)

    PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

    • ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

    To review:

    • Feedback page in new mockup
    • NL versions (bug #?)
    • NL not on the Website translation stage for the moment.
    • Need a link to Nabble QA forum.
      • Copy what is on the dev page
    • Action: Reporting on Redmine bugs about the QA site -> all

    PENDING ITEM: Updater

    • ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)
    • ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
      • (Note: Push PPA for Ubuntu; similar for RH/rpm-based systems?)
    • Update to the next major release only if it's the same branch 4.2.2 to 4.2.3
    • Would be useful for QA
    • Maybe GUI Installer from Florian could be used for that.
    • Action: ping Kendy on this -> Robinson

    PENDING ITEM: QA Input into website redesign

    • ACTION: Sophie/Robinson - Keep QA in the loop re: updates to QA pages

    Website Redesign:

    PENDING ITEM: Start Center and Sidebar Concerns

    • ACTION: Continue to watch Start Center/Sidebar until a11y concerns addressed (Robinson)

    Relevant tracker bugs:

    • Done for now, nothing new, not top priority

    PENDING ITEM: Introduction video to LibreOffice QA

    • ACTION: Mock something up/have something to show at a future QA Meeting (Robinson, Joren)
    • No time for the moment
    • ACTION: set an easy hack -> Robinson

    PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

    • ACTION: Joel will come up with a timeframe for future Bug Hunting Sessions/Triage Contests, with rationale.
      • Let's try to have an event every 6 months
    • Set one 4.3.0 bug event
    • ACTION: Joel/Sophie work on dates for planing: a month before and reminder 2 weeks before

    PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

    • ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
    • ACTION: Write a script to make sure builds are being produced daily! (Robinson)
    • Seems ok - no time for the moment

    Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

    These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

    PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

    • ACTION: Joel will turn this into an EasyHack and work on it (slowly)
    • New things keeping added but not on the page
    • When BZ will be locked out, that will not be so necessary

    PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

    • ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

    To review:

    • How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)


    • Not so annoying if they are not on highest stat, only 5 that are not really Mab.

    PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

    • ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation
    • Take it off
      • Once moved to our own BZ ask for Redmine instance for extensions (bjoern)

    PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

    • ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)
    • Talk to Norbert
    • Joel will go ahead

    PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

    • ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
    • ACTION: Joel will respond to planning email (for Penn) and help shape what we can/want to do
    • ACTION: Robinson will check-in with OpenHatch/Deb Nichols to investigate partnership
    • ACTION: Follow-up with all of the people I met at SCALE re:possible hackfests/events (Robinson)
    • No response for Canada
    • Immanuel, Robinson, fly to canada (joel)
      • May - make the date and try for 5 people there + one dev over a week-end (Joel)

    New Action Items

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    NEW ITEM: Title (Author)

    New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)

    NEW ITEM: Investing in QA (Bjoern)

    Bjoern will see with TDF Board how to do that and where.

    NEW ITEM: Regressions (Bjoern)

    • Fields --> imported from Apache but difficult to bisect on 4.2 Writer
    • 400 bugs about table (20 about regressions) -> break and group them.
    • 30 mail merge bugs


    • ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... March 24th (Monday) at 19:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List (which may happen).


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