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(Punted a week forward from March 10th)

Meeting of the QA Team previous - next
Date and Time (UTC)	2014-03-17 18:30 UTC
G+ Hangout	[ This Meeting]
Chair	Robinson Tryon
Secretary	Robinson Tryon
Started	18:30 UTC
Adjourned	20:15 UTC
Participants	Joel, Bjoern, Robinson, Sophie
Pad	http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/qa
Talkyoo Room Number	537138

Prep

Agenda + Minutes

Minutes:
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Before we Start

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Start

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The State of QA

Including any Opening Discussion

T-shirts update:
- Kiva Cards?
- More T-shirts delivered to:
- Still en-route to:
  - Hackert, Mandal

New Meeting Time?
- ACTION: Joel will set up a doodle for a new QA Meeting time

UNCONFIRMED Bugs

UNCONFIRMED bug count:

February 24th: 956
Today (17th): 935
Difference: -21

 A little slow down

Topics for ESC?

Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

Need_Advice Bugs

Need_Advice bugs

Pending Items

PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:

- Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?

PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

ACTION: Robinson/Cloph will talk to Tollef about next steps in Bugzilla migration
- Feb 24 - I'll try to ping Tollef again (cultivate communcation) (Robinson)

ACTION: Joel/Alex working to give Robinson a VM in which to test Bugzilla ourselves
- This will speed-up the 2nd half of migration and after-migration tasks

VM is now running
Add a local OpenId server
Give a priority on tasks
Michael Meeks has a new contact at freedesktop but not more active than Tollef
Action: document everything for BZ migration on Redmine -> Robinson

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Robinson) + Provide better docs
ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Robinson)

To review:

Robinson working on bibisect docs

IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit

Not documented on the wiki
Give a 3.5 to 4.2 if merged, links in the wiki
Norbert suggestions to have a very rough repository where we can nail down patches is not really what we need now, we need something as simple as possible.
ACTION: Robinson will get more information from him
Bjoern repo:
http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect-4.0-tags1.tar.xz but not so useful because you can still find issues in master, useful only if it broke on release branch
We need more people to bisect on master

PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

ACTION: Joel will ask people to test the Windows Bibisect GUI
ACTION: Investigate what is causing the huge increase in size (Florian R.)

PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:

Feedback page in new mockup
NL versions (bug #?)

NL not on the Website translation stage for the moment.
Need a link to Nabble QA forum.
Copy what is on the dev page
Action: Reporting on Redmine bugs about the QA site -> all

PENDING ITEM: Updater

ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)
ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
- (Note: Push PPA for Ubuntu; similar for RH/rpm-based systems?)

Update to the next major release only if it's the same branch 4.2.2 to 4.2.3
Would be useful for QA
Maybe GUI Installer from Florian could be used for that.
Action: ping Kendy on this -> Robinson

PENDING ITEM: QA Input into website redesign

ACTION: Sophie/Robinson - Keep QA in the loop re: updates to QA pages

Website Redesign:

http://newdesign.libreoffice.org/

PENDING ITEM: Start Center and Sidebar Concerns

ACTION: Continue to watch Start Center/Sidebar until a11y concerns addressed (Robinson)

Relevant tracker bugs:

GNU/Linux - tdf#36549
macOS - tdf#55571
Windows - tdf#60251

Done for now, nothing new, not top priority

PENDING ITEM: Introduction video to LibreOffice QA

ACTION: Mock something up/have something to show at a future QA Meeting (Robinson, Joren)

No time for the moment
ACTION: set an easy hack -> Robinson

PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

ACTION: Joel will come up with a timeframe for future Bug Hunting Sessions/Triage Contests, with rationale.
- Let's try to have an event every 6 months

Set one 4.3.0 bug event
ACTION: Joel/Sophie work on dates for planing: a month before and reminder 2 weeks before

PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
ACTION: Write a script to make sure builds are being produced daily! (Robinson)

Seems ok - no time for the moment

Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

ACTION: Joel will turn this into an EasyHack and work on it (slowly)
- tdf#71761 - Cleanup Whiteboard Wiki Page

New things keeping added but not on the page
When BZ will be locked out, that will not be so necessary

PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:

How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:

~~MAB Tool~~ - Server/service down for now

Not so annoying if they are not on highest stat, only 5 that are not really Mab.

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

ACTION: Joel will continue to monitor the situation

Take it off
Once moved to our own BZ ask for Redmine instance for extensions (bjoern)

PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)

Talk to Norbert
Joel will go ahead

PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
ACTION: Joel will respond to planning email (for Penn) and help shape what we can/want to do
ACTION: Robinson will check-in with OpenHatch/Deb Nichols to investigate partnership
ACTION: Follow-up with all of the people I met at SCALE re:possible hackfests/events (Robinson)

No response for Canada
Immanuel, Robinson, fly to canada (joel)
May - make the date and try for 5 people there + one dev over a week-end (Joel)

New Action Items

All items proposed between meetings go here

NEW ITEM: Title (Author)

New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)

NEW ITEM: Investing in QA (Bjoern)Bjoern will see with TDF Board how to do that and where.
NEW ITEM: Regressions (Bjoern)Fields --> imported from Apache but difficult to bisect on 4.2 Writer
400 bugs about table (20 about regressions) -> break and group them.
30 mail merge bugs

Announcements

ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... March 24th (Monday) at 19:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List (which may happen).

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