QA/Meetings/2014/March 24

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    Meeting of the QA Team

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    Date and Time (UTC) 2014-02-24 19:30 UTC
    G+ Hangout
    Chair Joel Madero
    Secretary Bjoern Michaelsen





    Florian R., Björn, Joel

    Talkyoo Room Number 537138


    Agenda + Minutes


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    Before we Start

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    The State of QA

    Including any Opening Discussion

    • T-shirts update:
      • Kiva Cards?
      • More T-shirts delivered to:
      • Still en-route to:
        • Hackert, Mandal
    • New Meeting Time?
      • ACTION: Joel will set up a doodle for a new QA Meeting time
    • Any update on possible Hackfest in the US (School in Pennsylvania) ?
    • SCALE 12x was fun!
      • Help from David Eisenberg on Fri/Sat
      • Let's have more people there next year (recruitment from West coast/CA?)
    • Thoughts on getting swag for BugHunting sessions?
    • Tool for downloading copies of LibreOffice onto USB sticks:
      • Consider for future conferences, etc..

    weekly status



    UNCONFIRMED bug count:

    • March 21st: 942
    • February 10th: 874
    • Today (17th): 935
    • Difference:
    • Ideas for attracting new help?
      • More/better tools (Florian R.)
      • Working auto-update of LibreOffice for Win/Mac
        • Security concerns?
        • Expected of modern applications (Robinson)
      • Infrastructure concerns re: large updates? (Bjoern)
        • We shouldn't be afraid of our own success
        • Only push updates to our stable/fresh users every few weeks; QA can get updates daily, if desired (Robinson)
    • ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
    • What about gnu/linux? (Robinson)
      • For Ubuntu, we have PPAs providing both stable and testing builds (Bjoern)
        • Stable: (libreoffice)"ppa" (also explains the other PPA)
        • Testing: "pre-releases" - Get as many pre-releases and Bjoern can manage to build
        • What about using theses for BugHunting sessions? (Robinson)
          • There is a diff between the PPAs and official TDF builds, but minor, and the simplicity of the PPA may win out (Bjoern)
      • For RedHat/other distros? (TBD...)

    Regression watch (Bjoern)


    Topics for ESC?

    Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

    • ACTION Review BibiGUI -- any Windows/C# volunteer dev (Bjoern)

    Need_Advice Bugs

    Need_Advice bugs

    • (see notes on Updater)

    Pending Items

    PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

    • ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

    To review:

      • Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?
    • After new website is up and running, re-examine our docs/workflow here.

    PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

    • [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will work on a new lobster mascot for our Bugzilla [owen made one]
    • ACTION: Robinson/Cloph will talk to Tollef about next steps in Bugzilla migration
      • Waiting to hear back from Tollef
    • ACTION: Joel/Alex working to give Robinson a VM in which to test Bugzilla ourselves
      • This will speed-up the 2nd half of migration and after-migration tasks


    • ACTION: Get Tollef to activate voting on FDO (merged item)
    • ACTION: Get Tollef to add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail (merged item)
    • ACTION: Get Tollef to clarify 'version' label in Bugzilla (merged item)
    • ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates (re: Bold statement on FDO mail)
    • Bugzilla cert expired, but fixed (Robinson)
    • Hopefully have VM soon for local testing (ahead of getting a data dump from FDO)
    • Will we run into problems with bug numbering/reduction of functionality/difficulty customizing if we use FDO dump? (Florian R.)
      • Shouldn't be a problem -- I've solid plans on how to keep existing bug numbers (Robinson)
      • (We'll toss the code into a git repo, and have a test server, etc..)
    • Chatted w/Tollef and other FDO guys this week (fixing expired cert, deleting accidentally-uploaded private data) (Robinson)
      • Hopeful to make some new headway here in the coming month.

    PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

    • ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Robinson) + Provide better docs
    • ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Robinson)

    To review:

    • Robinson working on bibisect docs
    • IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
    • IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit
    • Punt

    PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

    • ACTION: Punt on implementation until after we have bibisect repos up and running (All)
      • Florian is working on a Windows-only version
    • ACTION: Joel will ask people to test the Windows Bibisect GUI

    PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

    • ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

    To review:

    • Feedback page in new mockup
    • NL versions (bug #?)
    • Walrus on the feedback page well received at SCALE 12x (we put "FREESOFTWARE" and "WALRUS" as the two words in the Crossword puzzle for the Booth Games) - (Robinson)

    PENDING ITEM: EOL, Release series, and Stable versions

    • ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)
    • As discussed above..

    PENDING ITEM: QA Input into website redesign

    • ACTION: Sophie/Robinson - Keep QA in the loop re: updates to QA pages

    Website Redesign:

    PENDING ITEM: Start Center and Sidebar Concerns

    • [SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Robinson will get an update on the latest progress here from Stuart/a11y Team
      • Feb 1 - Emailed
    • ACTION: If you try to use LibreOffice without a mouse (and using a screen reader), how is the experience? (Everyone)

    Relevant tracker bugs:

    • Punt

    PENDING ITEM: Introduction video to LibreOffice QA

    • ACTION: Mock something up/have something to show at a future QA Meeting (Robinson, Joren)

    PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

    • ACTION: Joel will come up with a timeframe for future Bug Hunting Sessions/Triage Contests, with rationale.
      • Let's try to have an event every 6 months

    PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

    • ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
    • ACTION: Write a script to make sure builds are being produced daily! (Robinson)

    Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

    These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

    PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

    • ACTION: Joel will turn this into an EasyHack and work on it (slowly)

    PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

    • ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

    To review:

    • How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)


    PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

    PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

    • ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)

    PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

    • ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
    • ACTION: Joel will respond to planning email (for Penn) and help shape what we can/want to do
    • ACTION: Robinson will check-in with OpenHatch/Deb Nichols to investigate partnership
    • Met several students from California universities (Cal Poly, etc...) receptive to the idea of hosting a hackfest (Robinson)
    • Any updates on hackfests elsewhere in the US? Met several students from California universities (Cal Poly, etc...) receptive to the idea of hosting a hackfest (Robinson)
    • Met several students from California universities (Cal Poly, etc...) receptive to the idea of hosting a hackfest (Robinson)
      • Philadelphia - Possibly
      • Montreal - Guys have connections to the university, can provide basics of hackroom, room/board
      • Bring-in local guys: Kohei, Joel, Robinson, Ken Biondi, etc..
      • Might be able to bring-in Bjoern
    • Find a data/place, and then advertise HEAVILY to get others on board (Bjoern)
    • What about running a hackfest at 1-2 universities for 1-2 days each? (Robinson)
      • Probably best to stick with one university at a time; consider cross-promoting between both universities (Bjoern)
      • If we have interest from 2 universities, approach and see if they can share the event, and switch to the next one 6 months later
    • Lesson Learned: Tried having a hackfest in Silicon Valley, but had low turnout
    • ACTION: Follow-up with all of the people I met at SCALE re:possible hackfests/events (Robinson)

    New Action Items

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    New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)

    NEW ITEM: Title (Author)


    • ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... March 10th (Monday) at 19:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List (which may happen this week :-).


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