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(Meeting shifted to Wednesday at 17:30 UTC as a trial of a new day/time...)

Meeting of the QA Team previous - next
Date and Time (UTC)	2014-05-21 17:30 UTC
G+ Hangout	http://bit [dot] ly/LibO_QA_call_hangout
Chair	Robinson Tryon
Secretary	Robinson Tryon
Started	17:39
Adjourned	18:54
Participants	Joel, Robinson, Bjoern, Florian R.
Pad	http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/qa
Talkyoo Room Number	537138

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The State of QA

Including any Opening Discussion

US
- Hackfests update --> See PENDING ITEM

Impress Remote:
- Bluetooth adapters? -- all set?

Bugzilla migration
- Updates...
- Re: need to reset passwords
  - Email notification ahead of migration
  - Tweak the change-password page and the front page to indicate that people will need to reset their passwords
  - Create an 'About our new Bugzilla' video as a part of our 'Intro to QA' series

Bugzilla:
- SUGGESTION: Use bugs.documentfoundation.org/ to host Bugzilla
- We can have both LibreOffice and some of the Document Liberation Project libraries all exist as top-level products in the bugtracker
QUESTION: Should we refocus ourselves as the TDF QA Team (to cover LibreOffice, DLP, etc.. ?)

No major updates --> See later ITEMS in the agenda

Project Management:

What about global TODO lists? (across various TDF/LibreOffice teams) (Joel)
- Perhaps something available via Redmine? Or a project management tool? (Robinson)

Looked into a few options for project management (Joel)
Uses "Remember The Milk" personally
Probably going to be the wiki for the time being

Bern Conference: Still possible to submit talks
Lots of different types of talks possible -- can just explain how something works, doesn't have to be something awesome you've done (that's good, too!)

weekly status

* https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html

UNCONFIRMED Bugs

UNCONFIRMED bug count:

May 5th: 1086
Today: 1150
Difference: +64

ACTION: Joel will come up with strategies (bloggers? other marketing?) to get us under 500 UNCONFIRMED over the summer

We're working hard, but still more bugs pour in...
During the Bug Hunting Session for 4.3 (this weekend 23-25 of May), try to make sure that there's always someone in our QA IRC Channel (Joel)
ACTION: Write a short blog post about joining the BugHunting 4.3 session (TODO: Joel, Florian R., all)

Regression watch (Bjoern)

* Regressions in 4.3 not in 4.2
* Regressions in 4.2 not in 4.1

TODO:

Get Bjoern to explain this query
- this is the regressions in the current major release, lets watch those

These are regressions (currently 44) in 4.2 that were not in 4.1 (Bjoern)
15 in Writer
Q: Are these all confirmed? --> would be good to have a 'todo' list of unconfirmed regressions (Florian R.)
We should consider doing this for 4.3, as an early warning (Bjoern)

Topics for ESC?

Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

I've been traveling, so remind me of any issues for the next one...

Q From ESC to us: Does QA have the necessary people on hand to run the day-to-day operations of our local Bugzilla?
We believe so (Joel)

We currently have 64 open bibisected regressions:
Here's the query: Bibisected bugs
Broken down by component and Severity
E.g. tdf#75694 - FILESAVE: Comments lost on export to .docx

Need_Advice Bugs

NeedAdvice bugs

Pending Items

Quick ACTION items:

ACTION: Order bluetooth adapters for Joren, Joel, Florian R. (Robinson -> Floeff)
[DONE] ACTION: Joel will try to reschedule our May 19th call to see if there's a better time for us
- (Rescheduled to May 21)

Bluetooth adapters (all going well)

Do we want to reschedule the QA call permanently? (Robinson)
Comes down to timezones, etc..
Wednesday earlier is best for Joel
1hr earlier would be better for Florian R. (i.e. 17:30 UTC)
ACTION: New QA call time will be 17:30 UTC on Wednesdays (every other week), starting on June 4th

ITEMS from Joel

[DONE] ACTION: Send out reminder about next QA call (Day of previous call, a few days ahead, then the day-of) (Robinson)
[DONE] ACTION: Joel will hide extra Bugzilla versions
[DONE] ACTION: Joel will add/repurpose pre-bibisect version (in Bugzilla)

ACTION: Clarify what 'PreBibisect' version means in Bugzilla (writeup on the wiki) (Joel)

PENDING ITEM: Auto-updates for regular users and QA Testing

ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
ACTION: Open discussion again re:auto-update for QA on the mailing list (Robinson)

Related: tdf#78592 - "LibreOffice-Installation enhancement/medium NEW UI: Provide RSS feed for torrent downloads" (Joel)

PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:

Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?

PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

ACTION: Organize time to stress-test new Bugzilla VM (Joel)
ACTION: Make sure to suppress outgoing email during our testing of the test Bugzilla (Robinson)
ACTION: Perhaps add Simple HTTP Auth (htaccess) control restricting access to https://bugzilla-test.documentfoundation.org/ (Robinson/Norbert)
ACTION: Resolve url for hosting our Bugzilla instance (Joel)
- Deal with acronym if using tdf.org url (tdf# ?)

We should put some kind of LibreOffice branding on the bugzilla install when migrated (Joel)
Norbert is okay with some minor changes here
Mention that we're requiring password changes to protect user privacy during migration from FDO (Joel)

What's better: A chat or a mailing list thread for getting the last few things done? (Robinson)
Perhaps set up a call (Mon/Wed times good for me) for us (Norbert, Joel, Robinson, ....Rob, Joren, ?) (Joel)
ACTION: Set up call and/or thread(s) with the useful people on a mailing list (Robinson)

We have multiple projects under TDF (LibreOffice, DLP), and multiple related to LO (LibreOffice, Impress Remotes), so this will need to be considered re: our bugtracker (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

ACTION: Chat w/Bjoern, etc... re: updates to bibisect repos (Robinson)

ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Bjoern) + Provide better docs
ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Bjoern)
- Bjoern's done some work here... get update from him.

To review:

IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit

4.3 bibisect repo: Have 2 adjoining 4.3 repos for now (but hope to merge later) - (Bjoern)
Very difficult to extend bibisect repo back to our OOo branchpoint
We can also do the final step (testing with 3.3.0) separately (Robinson)
This would be a good task for those who don't want (or can't) use bibisect (Bjoern)

PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

ACTION:' Florian R. will make bibisect-gui work on Ubuntu....with Joel
ACTION Review BibiGUI -- any ~~Windows/C#~~ Python volunteer dev (Bjoern)
ACTION: Throw something at me [Robinson] if I forget [to poke at Python...] (Florian R.)

ACTION: SI-GUI: Contact the people running "interesting" Windows tinderboxes and ask for their assistance (Florian R.)

Florian R. --> Still looking for assistance from the tinderbox owners (emailed QA and Dev lists) with naming of
TDF has an extra buildbot that can be used for either tb or dev box (Bjoern)
Desktop form-factor, a bit louder than any laptop; a pretty powerful machine (Builds LO from scratch in ~1hr)
Bjoern would be happy to bring it to a hackfest

PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:

Next steps for NL versions (bug #?)

PENDING ITEM: EOL, Release series, and Stable versions

ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)
- May 5th - Punting to see until updater is fixed
ACTION: Joel will start a thread on the QA list where we can bring up concerns

Ongoing conversation -- mostly on Marketing list

PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

ACTION: Create a wiki page that mirrors our Release Plan page to try to coordinate QA events in conjunction with our release cycle (Joel)

Punt

PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux

- Update on redmine#376 ?
- NAGIOS -> ping tb owners

PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
ACTION: Joel & Robinson will chat about Boston

Update on:

Potential Hackfest in Boston in July
- State of QA Documentation?
Other Events: (School in Pennsylvania)?

Hoping to have multiple developers present (Joel)
Would like to have multiple people interested in QA as well!

Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: US Merch Store

(Future progress)

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

ACTION: Joel will work on tdf#71761 - Cleanup Whiteboard Wiki Page slowly.

PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:

How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:

~~MAB Tool~~ - Server/service down for now

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

[SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Joel will update our docs for how to report Extension bugs

UPDATE:

redmine#290 subtask of redmine#209

DONE and Done

PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)

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Announcements

ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... June 2nd (Monday) at 18:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

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