# QA/Meetings/2014/August 13

< QA‎ | Meetings‎ | 2014
 Meeting of the QA Team previous - next Date and Time (UTC) 2014-08-13 17:30 UTC G+ Hangout http://bit.ly/LibO_QA_call_hangout Chair Robinson Tryon Secretary Robinson Tryon Started 17:30 Adjourned 18:45 Participants Robinson, Joel Pad http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/qa Talkyoo Room Number 537138

# Agenda + Minutes

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## Before we Start

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## Start

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### IRC Minutes

(Meeting will be in Talkyoo)

## The State of QA

Including any Opening Discussion

• xx- Bugzilla migration
• Re: need to reset passwords
• Tweak the change-password page and the front page to indicate that people will need to reset their passwords
• Create an 'About our new Bugzilla' video as a part of our 'Intro to QA' series
• Bugzilla:
• SUGGESTION: Use bugs.documentfoundation.org/ to host Bugzilla
• We can have both LibreOffice and some of the Document Liberation Project libraries all exist as top-level products in the bugtracker
• QUESTION: Should we refocus ourselves as the TDF QA Team (to cover LibreOffice, DLP, etc.. ?)
• ACTION: Send thank-yous to Xamarin and Michael's brother (Joel)

(waiting for more people to join)

• New QA call time?
• ACTION: Robinson will get doodle up to select a call time
• Joel won't be able to make current call time in the fall
• Change-up how we hold meetings? (Robinson)
• Quick 15-20 minutes for us to talk about what we're doing
• Maybe a round-table? (Joel)
• People to invite:
• Steve, Tommy, Joren, Bjoern, etc.., Sophie

### UNCONFIRMED Bugs

• July 30th: 712
• Today: 822
• Difference: 110
• ACTION: Joel will come up with strategies (bloggers? other marketing?) to get us under 500 UNCONFIRMED over the summer (by the end of August)
• 4.3 came out -- not too surprising
• Joren rallied support w/a few others, dropped that # down 100+ since the release, so we're holding our own (Joel)

### Regression watch (Bjoern)

• ACTION: Joel will dig through bibisected and regressions confirmed bugs and prioritize according to flowchart
• Here's a link for bugs w/regression keyword that haven't been bibisected - http://tinyurl .com/mkagsdt

### Topics for ESC?

Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

• Feel free to add relevant topics to the QA project on Redmine, and Robinson can take them to ESC
• Jay, iplaw, etc.. mentioned several bugs re: codec support for Impress on macOS (and perhaps other platforms?) (Robinson)
• Quickstarter: We want to make sure that the crashing bug(s) are dealt with before 4.3.1 (Joel)

• Previous counts: 80+, 32, 32, 29, 23, 24
• Staying stable, which is great

## Pending Items

### PENDING ITEM: Auto-updates for regular users and QA Testing

• ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
• ACTION: Open discussion again re:auto-update for QA on the mailing list (Robinson)
• PUNTED: Bring up proposal to use Mozilla updater tooling for LibreOffice (Robinson)

### PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

• ACTION: Organize time to stress-test new Bugzilla VM (Joel)
• ACTION: Make sure to suppress outgoing email during our testing of the test Bugzilla (Robinson)
• ACTION: Resolve url for hosting our Bugzilla instance (Joel)
• Deal with acronym if using tdf.org url (tdf# ?)
• ACTION: Set up call and/or thread(s) with the useful people on a mailing list (Robinson)
• May 22 - Started process
• June - Need to follow-up again with key people re: current progress (Robinson)

### PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

• ACTION: Chat w/Bjoern, etc... re: updates to bibisect repos (Robinson)
• Propose docs on testing w/3.3.0 separately to place bugs in pre-LO category (Robinson)
• ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Norbert)
• Perhaps ask Cloph for help re: Bibisect stuff, and keep Norbert's cycles free for Bugzilla migration

To review:

• IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
• IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit

### PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

• ACTION: Review BibiGUI -- any Windows/C# Python volunteer dev (Bjoern)
• June 19 - Joel may have found a volunteer?
• ACTION: Create an EasyHack a bug for the process of rewriting the existing C# code in Python (or Java) (Florian R.)
• ACTION: Joel will poke the new guy again on email that showed up with dev experience

Related:

• ACTION: SI-GUI: Contact the people running "interesting" Windows tinderboxes and ask for their assistance (Florian R.)
• We really want one that's cross-platform (Joel)
• Can be pretty simple -- just 3 buttons
• Maybe focus on GNU/Linux for now, as that's looking like most of our bibisect area

### PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

• ACTION: Check on status of LibreOffice building in the cloud for hackfests (Robinson)
• Included in the notes for hackfest planning

Update on:

• We're planning a bug hunting

### PENDING ITEM: Whiteboard Naming Conventions

• ACTION: Update tags in the whiteboard to use 'wimpyCaps' (ALL)
• We had a discussion about filter:xxx, and not sure we found a perfect resolution...
• Also continue to clarify the use of capitals in the whiteboard, etc..

### PENDING ITEM: QA Budget

Some ideas for our possible QA Budget

• Host bibisect repo in the cloud -- use VNC to connect
• Testing builds in the cloud @ the Boston Hackfest -- good for 1-off testing, but slow for 10 bibisects in a row (Robinson)
• Perhaps a good target for onboarding (Bjoern)
• Makes things run very quickly, get people hooked
• We can spin-up a new machine for each person we're onboarding
• Daily builds (also in the cloud?)
• SDK tutorial?
• Get python community interested in LibreOffice
• Python IDE support for creating LibreOffice extensions?
• Can be beneficial for both communities
• Need to find someone in Python community to help move this forward
• Hackfest hardware
• Especially helpful when we don't have good bandwidth/stable connection
• Other items
• Crash reporter for Windows
• Moztrap improvements
• Ask sophie about a solid proposal for what could be done
• Native-lang BSA for more projects
• Biggest hurdle is getting native-lang communities to sign-up for long-term commitment to deal with bug reports (Robinson)

## Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

### PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

• ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:

• Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?

### PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

• ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:

• Next steps for NL versions (bug #?)

### PENDING ITEM: US Merch Store

• (Future progress)

### PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

• ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:

• How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:

### PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

• ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)
• Need to meet w/Charlie R. to talk with his Uni contacts as well

## New Action Items

All items proposed between meetings go here

## Announcements


jmadero: finish on IRC?   02:22:20 PM
colonelqubit: oops
jmadero: or want me to call back in
colonelqubit: So I wanted to mention that I'm planning a bug hunting fest for October @ SeaGL
jmadero: bug hunting or bug squashing?
colonelqubit: Lessons learned from Boston hackfest and from talkign to you and bjoern
colonelqubit: I'm thinking basically intro to QA
colonelqubit: and talk about the various teams within the project
jmadero: I think that would be tremendously useful
jmadero: if you did a presentation with impress
colonelqubit: yep
jmadero: some examples of things they are doing
jmadero: and possibly a task or two for each that needs volunteers (and hopefully has mentors)
colonelqubit: I was thinking about asking individuals to send me a quick video -- maybe 1-2min -- on what they're doing with LibreOffice
colonelqubit: e.g. mmeeks, Astron, you, Markus, Jean weber, etc..
colonelqubit: That would be an excellent personal touch for bringing people into the project
jmadero: good luck with that ;)
jmadero: people tend to shy away from videos
jmadero: but maybe you can get it done ;)
colonelqubit: Well I have some devious ideas...e.g. asking people in person in Bern
colonelqubit: So yes, I'm aiming to have the bug hunting event on the Sunday after SeaGL; I'll pre-register as many people as possible, but I'm hoping to pick up some more people who hear about it at the conference
jmadero: maybe print out moztrap tests
jmadero: and have them go through them (this way they don't have to sign up for a moztrap account)
colonelqubit: Ah, interesting
colonelqubit: well, wouldn't we want them to have a moztrap account? :)
jmadero: sure but you know - the barrier thing
jmadero: maybe have some printed, and say "you can set up an account if you want"
colonelqubit: yeah, definitely
colonelqubit: Venue possibles include the college hosting SeaGL, and UW
colonelqubit: I was going to ask for funding for t-shirts and lunch
colonelqubit: So two main goals of the event
colonelqubit: Obviously outreach
colonelqubit: and also recruiting for QA
colonelqubit: I know that there were some issues re: having people use paper-based sign-up sheets for mailing lists
colonelqubit: but I think that if I mail the people back personally and ask them to sign-up for the QA list, that might work
colonelqubit: Yeah, double-opt-in rules for germany
colonelqubit: So people will show up with their laptops
colonelqubit: I guess I could ask them to go through the steps with me
colonelqubit: 1) Set up bugzilla account
colonelqubit: 2) Join the QA mailing list
colonelqubit: 3) etc...
jmadero: yeah - it's always tricky finding the balance between "boring" and "overload"
colonelqubit: sure
colonelqubit: I'll wear my clown shoes, just to keep things light
jmadero: colonelqubit: how many shirts do you think?
colonelqubit: Depends on how many people are interested
colonelqubit: Would you like some sent down to CA?
colonelqubit: (no, I'm not suggesting that you run your own bug-hunting session... :-)
jmadero: lol no it's okay this round - I'll be getting one in Bern I suppose
colonelqubit: on the back it will say 'Bored Director'
colonelqubit: 'Boardirector'
jmadero: btw Bhavani likes the Walrus
colonelqubit: With a big boar on it
colonelqubit: Ah, excellent
jmadero: time to start looking at other items to advertise us :)
jmadero: mugs and thumb drives I think would work well
colonelqubit: wait, you were there when michael asked us about it, right?
jmadero: soon I'll have 20 shirts
colonelqubit: it was at the end of the hackfest -- you might have gone by then
colonelqubit: And he got this quizzical look on his face, and asked why there was a walrus
colonelqubit: And I tried to explain that it was something we'd used in QA
colonelqubit: it was a fun mascot
colonelqubit: that seemed to help, a little
colonelqubit: . o O (...crazy yanks! )
jmadero: so no mascot for Europe
jmadero: colonelqubit: in terms of tasks that are on redmine - your thoughts are of course appreciated
colonelqubit: jmadero: it's just themed for each country in EU
colonelqubit: so for example the wlarus will have a beret in France
colonelqubit: and a leaning pizza in italy
colonelqubit: Probably a steampunk walrus in Germany



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