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Meeting of the QA Team

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Date and Time (UTC) 2014-07-30 17:30 UTC
G+ Hangout http://bit.ly/LibO_QA_call_hangout
Chair Robinson Tryon
Secretary Robinson Tryon
Started

17:38

Adjourned

19:21

Participants

Robinson, Joel, Bjoern, Florian, Jay, Stuart

Pad http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/qa
Talkyoo Room Number 537138

Prep

Agenda + Minutes

Minutes:

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IRC Minutes

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The State of QA

Including any Opening Discussion

  • xx- Bugzilla migration
    • Updates...
    • Re: need to reset passwords
      • Email notification ahead of migration
      • Tweak the change-password page and the front page to indicate that people will need to reset their passwords
      • Create an 'About our new Bugzilla' video as a part of our 'Intro to QA' series
  • Bugzilla:
    • SUGGESTION: Use bugs.documentfoundation.org/ to host Bugzilla
    • We can have both LibreOffice and some of the Document Liberation Project libraries all exist as top-level products in the bugtracker
  • QUESTION: Should we refocus ourselves as the TDF QA Team (to cover LibreOffice, DLP, etc.. ?)
  • Boston Hackfest happened
    • Mmeeks, Joel, Robinson, Algot, Immanuel, etc..
    • Had Inkscape developer (Martin) show up
    • Got some ideas for the next one
      • Some hurdles with directions to venue (hard to find)
      • Investigate lodging closer to venue
    • Big thanks to Xamarin and Michael's brother for hosting us!
  • ACTION: Send thank-yous to Xamarin and Michael's brother (Joel)
  • Use 'hackfest' name for next event? Perhaps look at alternative names (Joel)
    • But want to make sure to attract devs (Bjoern)
  • Make sure that we're clear about the purpose of the hackfest ahead of time (Joel)
  • Going to have an event in Seattle in October (Robinson)
    • Aiming to build up community enough so that in the future, local people can run similar events on their own
    • Head-off issues at the event by having a quick 5 minute talk at the beginning of the event about how to handle complaints in Bugzilla/on the user lists (Bjoern)

weekly status

UNCONFIRMED Bugs

UNCONFIRMED bug count:

  • July 16thd: 962
  • Today: 712
  • Difference: -250
  • ACTION: Joel will come up with strategies (bloggers? other marketing?) to get us under 500 UNCONFIRMED over the summer (by the end of August)
  • Many bugs that went UNCONFIRMED -> NEEDINFO were moved to REOPENED, so Joel is working on fixing those
  • How do we avoid new QA people getting lost in 'hard' UNCONFIRMED bugs that they aren't going to be able to attack? (Robinson)
    • One idea: query for 'expected behavior' (Bjoern)
    • I am seeing more and more bugs in 'UNCONFIRMED' that require specific hardware, proprietary software, a developer's input, etc.. (Joel)
  • What should we do with bugs that have been confirmed on a single system, but nobody else can reproduce, even after multiple attempts? (Joel)
  • What about bugs requiring proprietary applications/etc.. do we close those? (Joel)
    • Similar to dealing with confidential documents: If you can't share it, then we won't fix it (Bjoern)
      • Refer them to how the Linux kernel deals with proprietary drivers
  • Any proprietary software that relates to filters in the source (for MS-Office, Visio, Project, etc..) is probably something we should try to investigate (Robinson)
  • 'Enterprise' software?
    • Something to consider re: what we can triage

Regression watch (Bjoern)

  • ACTION: Joel will dig through bibisected and regressions confirmed bugs and prioritize according to flowchart
  • Some new people joining-in with bibisecting (Joel)

Topics for ESC?

Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

  • Nothing big
  • We've seen many more bibisected regressions, and devs are tackling more regressions, so QA is helping quite a bit (Bjoern)
    • Important for writer devs to make sure that we're dealing with new regressions first

needAdvice Bugs

needAdvice bugs

  • Previous counts: 80+, 32, 32, 29, 23
  • Please continue to shovel difficult bugs into this list (Robinson)

Pending Items

PENDING ITEM: Auto-updates for regular users and QA Testing

  • ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
  • ACTION: Open discussion again re:auto-update for QA on the mailing list (Robinson)
    • Related: tdf#78592 - "LibreOffice-Installation enhancement/medium NEW UI: Provide RSS feed for torrent downloads" (Joel)
  • ACTION: Bring up proposal to use Mozilla updater tooling for LibreOffice (Robinson)
  • Two questions that arise: (Robinson)
    • Should we provide non-stable versions via updater?
    • Should we make it easier to update (automatically?) from one build to the next?
  • Auto-updates is an enterprise feature -- will a volunteer do it for free? (Bjoern)
  • What about the GUI?
  • What about users on Ubuntu (or another distro) who want to track 'LibreOffice Fresh'? (Robinson)
  • What about a PPA that tracks 'LibreOffice Stable' ?
    • Under consideration... (Bjoern)
    • Waiting to hear from LibreOffice Marketing about name change for 'Stable'

PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

  • ACTION: Organize time to stress-test new Bugzilla VM (Joel)
  • ACTION: Make sure to suppress outgoing email during our testing of the test Bugzilla (Robinson)
  • ACTION: Perhaps add Simple HTTP Auth (htaccess) control restricting access to https://bugzilla-test.documentfoundation.org/ (Robinson/Norbert)
  • ACTION: Resolve url for hosting our Bugzilla instance (Joel)
    • Deal with acronym if using tdf.org url (tdf# ?)
  • ACTION: Set up call and/or thread(s) with the useful people on a mailing list (Robinson)
    • May 22 - Started process
    • June - Need to follow-up again with key people re: current progress (Robinson)

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

  • ACTION: Chat w/Bjoern, etc... re: updates to bibisect repos (Robinson)
    • Propose docs on testing w/3.3.0 separately to place bugs in pre-LO category (Robinson)
  • ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Norbert)
    • Perhaps ask Cloph for help re: Bibisect stuff, and keep Norbert's cycles free for Bugzilla migration

To review:

  • IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
  • IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit

PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

  • ACTION: Review BibiGUI -- any Windows/C# Python volunteer dev (Bjoern)
    • June 19 - Joel may have found a volunteer?
  • ACTION: Create an EasyHack a bug for the process of rewriting the existing C# code in Python (or Java) (Florian R.)
  • ACTION: Joel will poke the new guy again on email that showed up with dev experience

Related:

  • ACTION: SI-GUI: Contact the people running "interesting" Windows tinderboxes and ask for their assistance (Florian R.)

PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

  • ACTION: Check on status of LibreOffice building in the cloud for hackfests (Robinson)
    • Included in the notes for hackfest planning

Update on:

  • We had one, it was interesting (see notes above)

PENDING ITEM: Whiteboard Naming Conventions

  • ACTION: Update tags in the whiteboard to use 'wimpyCaps' (ALL)
  • Also continue to clarify the use of capitals in the whiteboard, etc..
  • Haven't heard complaints from QA or Devs
  • Let's go ahead and use this extensively
  • We'll talk about "filter:svg" stuff in the whiteboard after the call (in IRC)

Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

  • ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:

  • Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?

PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

  • ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:

  • Next steps for NL versions (bug #?)

PENDING ITEM: US Merch Store

  • (Future progress)

PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

  • ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:

  • How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:

  • MAB Tool - Server/service down for now

PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

  • ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)
    • Need to meet w/Charlie R. to talk with his Uni contacts as well

New Action Items

All items proposed between meetings go here

NEW ITEM: Discuss usefulness of QA project in Redmine (Bjoern)

NEW ITEM: QA Budget (Bjoern)

Some ideas for our possible QA Budget

  • Host bibisect repo in the cloud -- use VNC to connect
    • Testing builds in the cloud @ the Boston Hackfest -- good for 1-off testing, but slow for 10 bibisects in a row (Robinson)
    • Perhaps a good target for onboarding (Bjoern)
      • Makes things run very quickly, get people hooked
    • We can spin-up a new machine for each person we're onboarding
  • Daily builds (also in the cloud?)
  • SDK tutorial?
    • Get python community interested in LibreOffice
    • Python IDE support for creating LibreOffice extensions?
      • Can be beneficial for both communities
    • Need to find someone in Python community to help move this forward
  • Hackfest hardware
    • Especially helpful when we don't have good bandwidth/stable connection
  • Other items
    • Crash reporter for Windows
    • Moztrap improvements
      • Ask sophie about a solid proposal for what could be done
    • Native-lang BSA for more projects
      • Biggest hurdle is getting native-lang communities to sign-up for long-term commitment to deal with bug reports (Robinson)


New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)

NEW ITEM: description (your name)

Announcements

  • ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... July 30th (Wednesday) at 17:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

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