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(Remember: Meeting shifted to Wednesday at 17:30 UTC at the new day/time...)

Meeting of the QA Team previous - next
Date and Time (UTC)	2014-06-18 17:30 UTC
G+ Hangout	http://bit [dot] ly/LibO_QA_call_hangout
Chair	Robinson Tryon
Secretary	Robinson Tryon
Started	17:36
Adjourned	19:22
Participants	Joel, Robinson, Jay, Sophie, Florian R., Bjoern, Jean, Francisco ? someone new? :-)
Pad	http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/qa
Talkyoo Room Number	537138

Prep

Agenda + Minutes

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IRC Minutes

(Talkyoo meeting today)

The State of QA

Including any Opening Discussion

Impress Remote:
- Bluetooth adapters arrived?

xx- Bugzilla migration
- Updates...
- Re: need to reset passwords
  - Email notification ahead of migration
  - Tweak the change-password page and the front page to indicate that people will need to reset their passwords
  - Create an 'About our new Bugzilla' video as a part of our 'Intro to QA' series

Bugzilla:
- SUGGESTION: Use bugs.documentfoundation.org/ to host Bugzilla
- We can have both LibreOffice and some of the Document Liberation Project libraries all exist as top-level products in the bugtracker
QUESTION: Should we refocus ourselves as the TDF QA Team (to cover LibreOffice, DLP, etc.. ?)

Can we get information passed from the application to the BSA via the URL?
Both technical and legal hurdles there (Joel)
Possibly just OS-detection
Bluetooth adapters still en-route

Congrats to Joren for finishing his Masters degree! (all done by the end of this week)

Joel will email follow-ups re: Bugzilla Migration
June and July will be busy for us, but we'll find a good time (hopefully!) for migration to occur.

Project Management:

What about global TODO lists? (across various TDF/LibreOffice teams) (Joel)
- Perhaps something available via Redmine? Or a project management tool? (Robinson)
  - Best option for now is Wiki, but we'll still keep looking.

ACTION: Robinson will check-in with cloph re: project in Redmine for project management

BugHunting Session

Advertised on the website (Sophie)
Let's invite a LOT of people!
Try to have coverage in the IRC channel -- to answer questions for any newbies who stop by

weekly status

* https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html

UNCONFIRMED Bugs

UNCONFIRMED bug count:

June 4th: 1101
Today: 1042
Difference: -59

ACTION: Joel will come up with strategies (bloggers? other marketing?) to get us under 500 UNCONFIRMED over the summer (by the end of August)

If we can do -30 to -50 a week, we'll meet our goal (Joel)
Excited that it's down so much
Keep up the good work!

Regression watch (Bjoern)

* Regressions in 4.3 not in 4.2

- Previous Counts: 32

* Regressions in 4.2 not in 4.1

- Previous Counts: 65

Topics for ESC?

Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

Query for bibisected regressions: Bibisected bugs
- Broken down by component and Severity
- Previous counts: 64, 81, 94
- What's the current count?

Still going up...
Hopefully we'll see that number go down after 4.3 is released

Need_Advice Bugs

NeedAdvice bugs

Previous counts: 80+, 32

Back down to reasonable number

Pending Items

Quick ACTION items:

[DONE] ACTION: Order bluetooth adapters for Joren, Joel, Florian R. (Robinson -> Floeff)
- June 05 - Adapters now ordered for Joel, Joren, and Florian R.

PENDING ITEM: Auto-updates for regular users and QA Testing

ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
ACTION: Open discussion again re:auto-update for QA on the mailing list (Robinson)
- Related: tdf#78592 - "LibreOffice-Installation enhancement/medium NEW UI: Provide RSS feed for torrent downloads" (Joel)

PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

ACTION: Organize time to stress-test new Bugzilla VM (Joel)
ACTION: Make sure to suppress outgoing email during our testing of the test Bugzilla (Robinson)
ACTION: Perhaps add Simple HTTP Auth (htaccess) control restricting access to https://bugzilla-test.documentfoundation.org/ (Robinson/Norbert)
ACTION: Resolve url for hosting our Bugzilla instance (Joel)
- Deal with acronym if using tdf.org url (tdf# ?)

ACTION: Set up call and/or thread(s) with the useful people on a mailing list (Robinson)
- May 22 - Started process
- June - Need to follow-up again with key people re: current progress (Robinson)

Joel will ping involved parties

PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

ACTION: Chat w/Bjoern, etc... re: updates to bibisect repos (Robinson)
- Propose docs on testing w/3.3.0 separately to place bugs in pre-LO category (Robinson)

[DONE] ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Bjoern) + Provide better docs
ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Norbert)
- Bjoern's done some work here... get update from him.
[DONE] ACTION: Create EasyHack to test all bugs tagged 'PreBibisect' to determine if they are also 'Inherited From OOo' (Joel)
- June 05 - Filed as tdf#79650.

To review:

IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit

Ping Norbert about bibisect on Mac --> perhaps Redmine ticket, too
What about bibisect on Windows? (Bjoern)
Perhaps ask Cloph for help re: Bibisect stuff, and keep Norbert for Bugzilla migration (Bjoern)
Norbert would like to be done with Bugzilla migration (Joel)

PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

[SUPERSEDED] ACTION:' Florian R. will make bibisect-gui work on Ubuntu....with Joel
ACTION: Review BibiGUI -- any ~~Windows/C#~~ Python volunteer dev (Bjoern)
ACTION: Throw something at me [Robinson] if I forget [to poke at Python...] (Florian R.)
ACTION: Create an EasyHack bug for the process of rewriting the existing C# code in Python (or Java) (Florian R.)

ACTION: SI-GUI: Contact the people running "interesting" Windows tinderboxes and ask for their assistance (Florian R.)

Problem determining commit hash from build ID when working with Windows builds (Florian R.)
The build ID should be derived from (aka the *same* as) the commit hash

PENDING ITEM: EOL, Release series, and Stable versions

ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)
- May 5th - Punting to see until updater is fixed
[SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Joel will start a thread on the QA list where we can bring up concerns
ACTION: Make enhancement request for this issue (so we can take it off the agenda) (Joel)

Talk about it later

PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

[SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Create a wiki page that mirrors our Release Plan page to try to coordinate QA events in conjunction with our release cycle (Joel)

We'll be having a BugHunting session for 4.3 RC1
It's working!
Perhaps put them under Events/ ? (Robinson)
Current: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_4.3.0
Organized by year: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/BugHunting_Session_4.3.0
We'll just use the Events page for now (Joel)

PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

[DONE] ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
[SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Make NAGIOS rules a priority --> very important for Windows tb for SI-GUI/Florian (Robinson)

- Update on redmine#376 ?
- NAGIOS -> ping tb owners

Talked to Cloph, he said we didn't need NAGIOS rules (Robinson)
If we continue to have problems with missing builds, please let me know and we'll renew our request for NAGIOS or other automated monitoring.

PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
ACTION: Joel & Robinson will chat about Boston

Update on:

Potential Hackfest in Boston in July
- State of QA Documentation?
Other Events: (School in Pennsylvania)?

US Summer Hackfest: Boston (July 26-27)
Joel will arrive in Boston ~9pm on Friday
Paucity of developers in person (Joel)
Possibly Mmeeks
Google Hangout? Remote developers?
ACTION: Joel will recruit a few European developers to connect remotely
We have other programming tasks: Involve Florian R./Bibisect GUI?
Having technical projects for participants is KEY
Bugzilla skills would be helpful (Florian R.)
Get QA programmers together to plan our game (Joel)
That would be (Robinson, Rob, Florian R., etc..)
Building LibreOffice in the cloud?
ACTION: Check on status of LibreOffice building in the cloud for hackfests (Robinson)
ACTION: Follow-up on what resources we have re: in-person/remote devs in 1 week (June 25) (Robinson)
ACTION: Include request for artists to attend the Hackfest (make sure we have enough for them to do!) (Robinson)

Possible Austin, TX hackfest next year
Charlie R. and Pennsylvania are moving along (Joel)
For those of you overseas -- Arnaud Versini is running a hackfest in Toulouse! Hackfest/Toulouse2014

Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

To review:

Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?

PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

To review:

Next steps for NL versions (bug #?)

PENDING ITEM: US Merch Store

(Future progress)

PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will work on tdf#71761 - Cleanup Whiteboard Wiki Page slowly.

Currently in progress. A sample can be seen here: Test

Mostly done.
Just a little more organization

PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

To review:

How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)

References:

~~MAB Tool~~ - Server/service down for now

PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)
- Need to meet w/Charlie R. to talk with his Uni contacts as well

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NEW ITEM: description (your name)

Announcements

ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... July 2nd (Wednesday) at 17:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.

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