QA/Meetings/2014/June 18

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    Meeting of the QA Team

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    Date and Time (UTC) 2014-06-18 17:30 UTC
    G+ Hangout http://bit [dot] ly/LibO_QA_call_hangout
    Chair Robinson Tryon
    Secretary Robinson Tryon





    Joel, Robinson, Jay, Sophie, Florian R.,
    Bjoern, Jean, Francisco ? someone new? :-)

    Talkyoo Room Number 537138


    Agenda + Minutes


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    Before we Start

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    (Talkyoo meeting today)

    The State of QA

    Including any Opening Discussion

    • Impress Remote:
      • Bluetooth adapters arrived?
    • xx- Bugzilla migration
      • Updates...
      • Re: need to reset passwords
        • Email notification ahead of migration
        • Tweak the change-password page and the front page to indicate that people will need to reset their passwords
        • Create an 'About our new Bugzilla' video as a part of our 'Intro to QA' series
    • Bugzilla:
      • SUGGESTION: Use to host Bugzilla
      • We can have both LibreOffice and some of the Document Liberation Project libraries all exist as top-level products in the bugtracker
    • QUESTION: Should we refocus ourselves as the TDF QA Team (to cover LibreOffice, DLP, etc.. ?)
    • Can we get information passed from the application to the BSA via the URL?
      • Both technical and legal hurdles there (Joel)
      • Possibly just OS-detection
    • Bluetooth adapters still en-route
    • Congrats to Joren for finishing his Masters degree! (all done by the end of this week)
    • Joel will email follow-ups re: Bugzilla Migration
      • June and July will be busy for us, but we'll find a good time (hopefully!) for migration to occur.

    Project Management:

    • What about global TODO lists? (across various TDF/LibreOffice teams) (Joel)
      • Perhaps something available via Redmine? Or a project management tool? (Robinson)
        • Best option for now is Wiki, but we'll still keep looking.
    • ACTION: Robinson will check-in with cloph re: project in Redmine for project management

    BugHunting Session

    • Advertised on the website (Sophie)
    • Let's invite a LOT of people!
    • Try to have coverage in the IRC channel -- to answer questions for any newbies who stop by

    weekly status



    UNCONFIRMED bug count:

    • June 4th: 1101
    • Today: 1042
    • Difference: -59
    • ACTION: Joel will come up with strategies (bloggers? other marketing?) to get us under 500 UNCONFIRMED over the summer (by the end of August)
    • If we can do -30 to -50 a week, we'll meet our goal (Joel)
    • Excited that it's down so much
    • Keep up the good work!

    Regression watch (Bjoern)

    * Regressions in 4.3 not in 4.2
      • Previous Counts: 32
    * Regressions in 4.2 not in 4.1
      • Previous Counts: 65

    Topics for ESC?

    Does anyone have any topics/concerns that I should bring to the Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)? (Robinson)

    • Still going up...
    • Hopefully we'll see that number go down after 4.3 is released

    Need_Advice Bugs

    NeedAdvice bugs

    • Previous counts: 80+, 32
    • Back down to reasonable number

    Pending Items

    Quick ACTION items:

    • [DONE] ACTION: Order bluetooth adapters for Joren, Joel, Florian R. (Robinson -> Floeff)
      • June 05 - Adapters now ordered for Joel, Joren, and Florian R.

    PENDING ITEM: Auto-updates for regular users and QA Testing

    • ACTION: Investigate auto-updates for regular users and/or for QA/testing purposes (Robinson)
    • ACTION: Open discussion again re:auto-update for QA on the mailing list (Robinson)
      • Related: tdf#78592 - "LibreOffice-Installation enhancement/medium NEW UI: Provide RSS feed for torrent downloads" (Joel)

    PENDING ITEM: Bugzilla Migration etc.

    • ACTION: Organize time to stress-test new Bugzilla VM (Joel)
    • ACTION: Make sure to suppress outgoing email during our testing of the test Bugzilla (Robinson)
    • ACTION: Perhaps add Simple HTTP Auth (htaccess) control restricting access to (Robinson/Norbert)
    • ACTION: Resolve url for hosting our Bugzilla instance (Joel)
      • Deal with acronym if using url (tdf# ?)
    • ACTION: Set up call and/or thread(s) with the useful people on a mailing list (Robinson)
      • May 22 - Started process
      • June - Need to follow-up again with key people re: current progress (Robinson)
    • Joel will ping involved parties

    PENDING ITEM: Bibisect Repositories

    • ACTION: Chat w/Bjoern, etc... re: updates to bibisect repos (Robinson)
      • Propose docs on testing w/3.3.0 separately to place bugs in pre-LO category (Robinson)
    • [DONE] ACTION: Make combined bibisect repo available for testing (Bjoern) + Provide better docs
    • ACTION: Provide documentation for mac bibisect on wiki (Norbert)
      • Bjoern's done some work here... get update from him.
    • [DONE] ACTION: Create EasyHack to test all bugs tagged 'PreBibisect' to determine if they are also 'Inherited From OOo' (Joel)

    To review:

    • IDEA: Add bibisect into regular Developer workflow
    • IDEA: Create graph/tool to show which builds contain a given commit
    • Ping Norbert about bibisect on Mac --> perhaps Redmine ticket, too
    • What about bibisect on Windows? (Bjoern)
    • Perhaps ask Cloph for help re: Bibisect stuff, and keep Norbert for Bugzilla migration (Bjoern)
      • Norbert would like to be done with Bugzilla migration (Joel)

    PENDING ITEM: GUI for Bibisect

    • [SUPERSEDED] ACTION:' Florian R. will make bibisect-gui work on Ubuntu....with Joel
    • ACTION: Review BibiGUI -- any Windows/C# Python volunteer dev (Bjoern)
    • ACTION: Throw something at me [Robinson] if I forget [to poke at Python...] (Florian R.)
    • ACTION: Create an EasyHack bug for the process of rewriting the existing C# code in Python (or Java) (Florian R.)


    • ACTION: SI-GUI: Contact the people running "interesting" Windows tinderboxes and ask for their assistance (Florian R.)
    • Problem determining commit hash from build ID when working with Windows builds (Florian R.)
      • The build ID should be derived from (aka the *same* as) the commit hash

    PENDING ITEM: EOL, Release series, and Stable versions

    • ACTION: We'll wait and see if the Fresh vs. Stable (esque) language ends up in the updater (Robinson)
      • May 5th - Punting to see until updater is fixed
    • [SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Joel will start a thread on the QA list where we can bring up concerns
    • ACTION: Make enhancement request for this issue (so we can take it off the agenda) (Joel)
    • Talk about it later

    PENDING ITEM: Planning Regular QA Events

    • [SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Create a wiki page that mirrors our Release Plan page to try to coordinate QA events in conjunction with our release cycle (Joel)

    PENDING ITEM: Daily builds for all platforms

    • [DONE] ACTION: Robinson will take point on making sure we get daily builds for win/mac/linux
    • [SUPERSEDED] ACTION: Make NAGIOS rules a priority --> very important for Windows tb for SI-GUI/Florian (Robinson)
    • Talked to Cloph, he said we didn't need NAGIOS rules (Robinson)
      • If we continue to have problems with missing builds, please let me know and we'll renew our request for NAGIOS or other automated monitoring.

    PENDING ITEM: Hackfests

    • ACTION: USA involvement in hackfests -- (Keep on the agenda, discuss on QA list) (All)
    • ACTION: Joel & Robinson will chat about Boston

    Update on:

    • Potential Hackfest in Boston in July
      • State of QA Documentation?
    • Other Events: (School in Pennsylvania)?
    • US Summer Hackfest: Boston (July 26-27)
      • Joel will arrive in Boston ~9pm on Friday
    • Paucity of developers in person (Joel)
      • Possibly Mmeeks
      • Google Hangout? Remote developers?
      • ACTION: Joel will recruit a few European developers to connect remotely
    • We have other programming tasks: Involve Florian R./Bibisect GUI?
    • Having technical projects for participants is KEY
    • Bugzilla skills would be helpful (Florian R.)
    • Get QA programmers together to plan our game (Joel)
      • That would be (Robinson, Rob, Florian R., etc..)
    • Building LibreOffice in the cloud?
      • ACTION: Check on status of LibreOffice building in the cloud for hackfests (Robinson)
    • ACTION: Follow-up on what resources we have re: in-person/remote devs in 1 week (June 25) (Robinson)
    • ACTION: Include request for artists to attend the Hackfest (make sure we have enough for them to do!) (Robinson)
    • Possible Austin, TX hackfest next year
    • Charlie R. and Pennsylvania are moving along (Joel)
    • For those of you overseas -- Arnaud Versini is running a hackfest in Toulouse! Hackfest/Toulouse2014

    Long-term/Frozen Pending Items

    These are long-term or frozen items (i.e. on ice until something else happens) that we don't want to forget about...

    PENDING ITEM: MozTrap Localization

    • ACTION: MozTrap translation (GUI and tests) continues to be high-priority for QA (Needs someone to shepherd)

    To review:

    • Other project who might want to work on translating GUI w/us?

    PENDING ITEM: Feedback pages

    • ACTION: Sophie will shepherd native-lang versions of Feedback page

    To review:

    • Next steps for NL versions (bug #?)

    PENDING ITEM: US Merch Store

    • (Future progress)

    PENDING ITEM: Update the whiteboard/keywords page

    • [DONE] ACTION: Joel will work on tdf#71761 - Cleanup Whiteboard Wiki Page slowly.

    Currently in progress. A sample can be seen here: Test

    • Mostly done.
    • Just a little more organization

    PENDING ITEM: Most Annoying Bug List

    • ACTION: Joel will propose stricter guidelines for what qualifies as a MAB

    To review:

    • How is the test going? (using the 'Priority' field in Bugzilla)


    PENDING ITEM: Talk to CS Department/others at University

    • ACTION: Put up a message on the message board at his University and see who is interested (Joel)
      • Need to meet w/Charlie R. to talk with his Uni contacts as well

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    New Items (Proposed/Discussed at the Meeting)

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    • ANNOUNCEMENT: Our next meeting will take place... July 2nd (Wednesday) at 17:30 UTC, unless otherwise noted on the QA/Mailing List.


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